Sherry Darling said:
Seriously, I hear all of ya'll who are stressing about this. My loans for my PhD will be about $30,000!
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:isn´t it one of the main interests of a nation/ state, that everyone can afford to study? That everyone has an equal right to education?
anitram said:I don't know how any institution can justify charging people $30K USD per year for an undergraduate degree. It's repulsive. Now I understand many students have costs offset by scholarships, but many others will be paying it off until kingdom come.
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:
isn´t it one of the main interests of a nation/ state, that everyone can afford to study? That everyone has an equal right to education?
anitram said:SD, are you being paid as per your PhD?
For example, in Canadian universities, if you are doing a science PhD (I'm not sure about the rates for arts), you are paid a stipend of around $20-25K/year, out of which you have to pay back tuition (around $7000 I think), so in the end, you are technically being paid (less than minimum wage, but still) while studying.
Se7en said:
i have never heard of anything like this in the u.s., frankly it would boggle my mind if it exists.
Kristie said:
it exists in a lot of places
My boyfriend is going for his PhD in biophysics starting in the fall, and they're paying his tuition plus a $20,000/year stipend. He got a similar offer from Boston University. Yale fully funds all their PhD students (science and arts), including a $17,000 stipend (too bad I'm going there for my master's). It's actually pretty standard for most large universities in the US, but usually only if you're there for your PhD.
and Lies, you know I sympathize with you... I'm looking at $70,000 in loans when I finish this next year.
i'm in alberta and a friend of mine is getting $20K+ for her MSc.anitram said:In Canada, we get the same stipends for Masters as well. You get more for MSc (MS) because you are technically conducting publishable research for the university which contributes to them winning grants. You do get slightly less money than for PhD. For example, at the school I went to, it was $22K PhD and $16K for MSc students per year.
whenhiphopdrovethebigcars said:
Oh but with you I don´t have a shadow of doubt that you will earn a million a year with your education in 5 years´time no worries!
Sherry Darling said:
One of the main problems (other than folks buying that if we cut taxes, they're better off in the long run, when we need those taxes to fund higher ed) is that most tuition decisions are made by a Board of Visitors (ya'll have those in Canada and the EU?). The are unelected, unaccountable, don't teach typically at the university or administor there, and have very little actually stake in the decisions that are made other than the college's almighty "bottom line." Universitys would be much better run if students and faculty for that matter had some mechanism of oversight or input.
Sherry Darling said:
One of the main problems (other than folks buying that if we cut taxes, they're better off in the long run, when we need those taxes to fund higher ed) is that most tuition decisions are made by a Board of Visitors (ya'll have those in Canada and the EU?).
dazzlingamy said:I am so shocked reading all these posts! I cannot believe in a first world country such as the USA that your medical system is third rate, and your education system is based on money over anything else.
I honestly don't get that you have to pay for medical insurance just incase you get sick?! It scares me. Is it as bad that say, you didnt have medical insurance and you broke your wrist you would have a bill to pay?!
VertigoGal said:I don't really know if I believe in the state paying for higher education, healthcare, etc, at least in theory...but it *is* ridiculous how much they cost these days. My family hasnt had health coverage for years, which is kinda scary. My dad's getting a new job that sucks, but at least it has some basic health coverage, that's good. But I mean, there's no way my parents could help me out in college (they cant even help themselves...they're terrible with money )...I'll probably end up going to UGA, if the Hope scholarship still exists when I graduate. I really wanna get out of Georgia, but the Hope scholarship is a pretty good deal and everything's so expensive out of state. It pays all tuition to state schools if you keep a 3.2 GPA throughout high school...I'm getting a job too. I really just want to make it through college without mountains of student debt. I'm only in high school, but already it's so stressful
I have to say though, I don't know if socialising healthcare would make things that much better though. From what I've seen within my own family, our little experiment with it (the VA) really sucks.
LivLuvAndBootlegMusic said:You know, I'm all for seperation of church and state...when it comes to religious matters/policies like core virtues, mission statement, curriculum, etc. But I don't see what my school charging me over twenty grand a year just for tuition has anything to do with religion. I wish the state could step in at some point and say "enough!" especially since plenty of the cheaper state schools are shit, leaving me with no choice but to go to a private school just for a decent degree.
Sherry Darling said:
If I may--I'm confused by some apparent contradictions in your thinking, though. You don't want higher taxes--who does? And I don't support higher taxes on the working poor or middle class either. But you don't want the state to pay for it. So what's your solution?
It makes me crazy and breaks my heart to see so many people caugh in positions like we've all be describing here who vote for Republicans or conservatives (which you may or may not have done, this is a general remark not directed at you personally) thinking it will help their bottom line.
The upper middle and wealthy classes should be taxed higher! That's how things like health care and education get funded, as all of these examples from our Canadian, European and Aussie friends show. Yet the rhetoric of economic conservatives is that if we protect the interests of the rich, wealth will somehow "trickle down." This has been tried and it failed! In a capitalist society, working families need some sort of protections from the market. That's one of the very reasons public institutions were established in the first place by guys like Jefferson--because health care and education in a civilized, progressive leading nation should not be the privlege of the wealthy.
National health care isn't "socialism". Socialism is state control of the economy (though a real Marxist would argue that with me, but that's another thread). It's simply a national plan to be sure that everyone has access to some kind of basic health care. I personally think that 50 state plans will likely work better than 1 national plan, but we'd need fed. funding for it, since some states are less able to afford it. But the administration I think should be done at a state level. Regarding the VA, I can imagine why you weren't impressed. They're desperately undefunded, and recently, a bill was passed to further cut funding (by Republicans). I can dig this up if you like--saw it maybe 4 months ago. Now, is the public sector always well run? No, no more so than the private sector--but no one argues that we should get rid of that or scale it down because of its efficency.
I guess this ranting LOL is about one question: you like a lot of us are struggling with health care and education. But you dont' want the state to pay for it. Yet I think we can all agree costs are out of control. So what's your solution?
Best wishes and my prayers to you and all of us struggling with this "ownership society"
Sherry Darling said:
May I ask where you are? What are the possibilites of transfering credits to a neighboring state, is the tuition too out of control?
dazzlingamy said:
I honestly don't get that you have to pay for medical insurance just incase you get sick?! It scares me. Is it as bad that say, you didnt have medical insurance and you broke your wrist you would have a bill to pay?!