Same Sex Marriage Thread - Part III

[trojanchick99]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

well, it's official.

Memphis and I are engaged.

Super late to the party but congratulations!

[BonosSaint]

(the one with the Christian fish and the feet...I thought I was so clever).

Love that. Have it on my car and my wall.

[deep]

Judge legalizes same-sex marriage in New Jersey | NJ.com


Chris Cristy? Can he veto it?


or are the gays taking over???




maybe they can send some decorators down to the Jersey Shore for a make-over

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by deep

maybe they can send some decorators down to the Jersey Shore for a make-over

Hooray for New Jersey!

[Irvine511]

will be interesting to see how Christie -- a man who likely has no problem personally but has a bloodthirsty base to deal with in the '16 primaries -- will play this.

he's utterly crushing his opponent for re-election, so he can likely do whatever he wants and be fine. but he still needs to crush his opponent to prove to said base that he can actually win in the general by winning over democrats.

which he could.

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by deep

The guy on the bottom of frame is a goddamn liar

[PhilsFan]

Corbett compares same-sex marriage to incest

This is what happens when you make it legal for natural gas companies to elect a governor.

[Irvine511]

at least you have beautiful Brian Sims fighting the good fight in PA.

[Pearl]

What really is insulting about people who say incest, bestiality and pedophilia will someday by acceptable is that they are basically saying most humans have no common sense. I think we can all agree that anyone who engages in those three has major emotional/psychological problems, especially pedophilia. If the day comes that those problems aren't seen as problems anymore, then civilization has fallen. But that won't happen because most people aren't insane enough to let it.

[Caleb8844]

Don't take this wrong -- I'm not saying gay marriage has anything in common with pedophilia. However, it's disingenuous to act like a disgust for pedophilia is somehow inherent in humanity. It's certainly been acceptable in cultures of the past. Pederasty in Greek culture is the most easily cited example.

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by Caleb8844

Don't take this wrong -- I'm not saying gay marriage has anything in common with pedophilia. However, it's disingenuous to act like a disgust for pedophilia is somehow inherent in humanity. It's certainly been acceptable in cultures of the past. Pederasty in Greek culture is the most easily cited example.

That is true, and the Ancient Egyptian pharaohs married brother and sister.

But I think people today have more sense that neither is good for society or the individuals involved. I'd be very worried if most didn't.

[AEON]

Originally Posted by Pearl

That is true, and the Ancient Egyptian pharaohs married brother and sister.
...that neither is good for society or the individuals involved.

Just for the record - that is the same logic that conservative Christian and Jews use to oppose gay marriage.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by AEON

Just for the record - that is the same logic that conservative Christian and Jews use to oppose gay marriage.

no it isn't.

[martha]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

Corbett compares same-sex marriage to incest

This is what happens when you make it legal for natural gas companies to elect a governor.

I knew before I clicked that he was 100 years old, or so.

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

The guy on the bottom of frame is a goddamn liar

That was the first thing I noticed!

Originally Posted by AEON

Just for the record - that is the same logic that conservative Christian and Jews use to oppose gay marriage.

Oh really? Since when do they care about the gays and what happens to them?
As far as I know they only care for their own society and their own feelings. They don't give a shit about the gay people involved, or they wouldn't be saying that we can't love the ones we do.

[AEON]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

no it isn't.

Whether you think they are genuine or not is another discussion, but they routinely say something along these lines:

1) gay marriage undermines the society by destroying the traditional family structure, a structure God designed. (Society)

2) homosexual activity damages a person physically, emotionally, and spiritually - as it is being willfully disobedient to God (Individual)

Again, you can disagree with these statement, I'm not going to defend them. But these are the basic arguments that the conservative Christians and Jews use to oppose gay marriage.

[Diemen]

I think the difference is that those opposing incest and polygamy have actual facts to back up their assertions that it damages the person and society.

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by AEON

Whether you think they are genuine or not is another discussion, but they routinely say something along these lines:

1) gay marriage undermines the society by destroying the traditional family structure, a structure God designed. (Society)

2) homosexual activity damages a person physically, emotionally, and spiritually - as it is being willfully disobedient to God (Individual)

Again, you can disagree with these statement, I'm not going to defend them. But these are the basic arguments that the conservative Christians and Jews use to oppose gay marriage.

Yet I see opinions here, not facts. As Diemen says, on incest or paedophilia or polygamy or bestiality there are facts proving that it is harmful to the individuals on society. Based on genetics and psychology.

As far as I'm aware, we shouldn't let people's opinions weigh heavier than facts on this matter. More and more people are becoming atheistic or nontheistic these days, agnostic even. Religion is losing power. Why should we give the power to their opinions when the majority of people isn't behind that anymore?

[AEON]

Originally Posted by Diemen

I think the difference is that those opposing incest and polygamy have actual facts to back up their assertions that it damages the person and society.

I am certainly not going to defend incest or polygamy, but is there really valid scientific research to support that these activities damage a person and society (the assumption here is that it is all consensual)? I understand the genetic component of incest - but what if they don't intend to have children?

Again - I'm not defending these activities, but it seems like there is an appeal to scientific "facts" and I would like to see those.

[deep]

Originally Posted by AEON

Again - I'm not defending

I may get this wrong, I don't spend much time in here (anymore) reading everything in here.

But, when I read these types of things thrown into the argument, discussion it just makes the one doing it appear like they are bias against gay people.

The purpose to muddy up the discussion to defend bias towards gays.

That's the take away.