Ohio predictions - Page 4

deep · 03-04-2008, 12:03 PM

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Originally posted by U2isthebest
Gotcha. Although, I don't seem to recall hearing about Bush 1 being a fantastic or even that popular of a president.

he only lost because the economy was in a down turn

and the public was really concerned about all the deficit spending and balooning national debt.

aside from that he was very decent

Desert Storm was a huge success, we truly had a coalition, and it was well executed with international support

Bush 1's mantra was "a kinder, gentler America"

America's standing internationally was very good.

with that in mind. people voted for W

Everyone I asked said something very much like,
"I liked the old man, this is George Bush , Jr., he's got my vote."

U2isthebest · 03-04-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by deep

W was elected on the presumption that he would be like his Dad

GHW Bush 1 and if he were like his father we would not be living in this nightmare.

It's no secret that a lot of people are supporting Hillary because they long for the Clinton years. I personally believe Bill Clinton is one of our greatest presidents, but we live in a radically different world than we did 8 years ago. The Clinton years are not coming back no matter how badly many might want them to. Hillary Clinton is Hillary Clinton and she would not act in the exact same ways as her husband did just as Bush 2 did not act in the same fashion as his father. I'm getting a sense that a lot of people don't realize that if Hillary wins, she'll be the president and not Bill. So, if you're using that logic, it would be an argument against Hillary because she will not be the same type of president her husband was.

verte76 · 03-04-2008, 12:04 PM

The districts in Texas are gerrymandered?

U2isthebest · 03-04-2008, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by deep

he only lost because the economy was in a down turn

and the public was really concerned about all the deficit spending and balooning national debt.

I disagree with Desert Storm at its core, but that's irrelevant. As for the economy I see that he and his son have their fiscal irresponsibility in common.

verte76 · 03-04-2008, 12:07 PM

I think the Electoral College should be abolished. It wasn't fair that Gore won the popular vote and lost the election in 2000.

deep · 03-04-2008, 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by U2isthebest

I disagree with Desert Storm at its core, but that's irrelevant.

really??

you believe that Saddam should have been allowed to keep Kuwait and possibly take part of Saudi Arabia?

U2isthebest · 03-04-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally posted by deep

really??

you believe that Saddam should have been allowed to keep Kuwait and possibly take part of Saudi Arabia?

Absolutely not. I think we were too quick to rush into a military effort and should have pressed harder for more diplomatic efforts. The Bushes seem to be allergic to non-violent resolutions, though.

deep · 03-04-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally posted by verte76
I think the Electoral College should be abolished. It wasn't fair that Gore won the popular vote and lost the election in 2000.

regardless of it being Gore or whoever

they say that if Kerry got 150,000 more votes he would have won the electoral college but still lost the popular vote by something like 3%

the EC should be abolished because it is just pure shit (period)

Verte, why even vote for president n Alabama?

all of your states electoral votes will go to the GOP candidate.

MrsSpringsteen · 03-04-2008, 03:37 PM

Senator Clinton wins Ohio, not by much. Doesn't win Texas, not by much. Supposedly Sen Obama is ahead in the polls in Vermont and RI

DaveC · 03-04-2008, 04:45 PM

When do polls close tonight (all states)?

U2democrat · 03-04-2008, 05:21 PM

From DailyKos:
Vermont (15), 7 p.m. ET

Ohio (141), 7:30 p.m. ET

Rhode Island (21) 9 p.m. ET

Texas (193) 9 p.m. ET, but El Paso is in a different time zone, so closes an hour later. And, to make things extra complicated, the caucuses begin after the polls close.

DaveC · 03-04-2008, 05:24 PM

Gracias.

My prediction: Obama wins Texas, VT, and RI easily, Ohio is close but even if Hillary wins it won't be enough.

The Clinton campaign is finished after tonight, but she'll stay in all the way up to the DNC.

U2democrat · 03-04-2008, 05:26 PM

De nada

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ladywithspinninghead · 03-04-2008, 06:06 PM

CNN predicts Obama and McCain win for Vermont.

LarryMullen's POPAngel · 03-04-2008, 06:12 PM

It'd be nice if the polls in Ohio were open a little longer - didn't they do that when another state had to contend with bad weather?

U2democrat · 03-04-2008, 06:18 PM

They did extend the polls an hour in part of the state that has flooding.

Vincent Vega · 03-04-2008, 06:26 PM

Vermont goes to Obama (53 to 45), and of course McCain.

deep · 03-04-2008, 06:37 PM

Exit polling just released

Ohio - Hilllary by 10%

Texas - Hillary by 4%

anitram · 03-04-2008, 06:44 PM

What exit polls are those?

The National Review Online has this:

For the first set, Obama is up by 2 percent in Ohio, Hillary is up by 2 percent in Texas, Hillary is up by 3 percent in Rhode Island and Obama is up by a 2 to 1 margin in Vermont.

The second set is similarly close - Hillary up by 2 percent in Ohio, the two Democrats tied in Texas, Obama ahead by 2 percent in Rhode Island and a similar 2 to 1 margin in Vermont.

deep · 03-04-2008, 06:59 PM

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/pri...ults/state/#OH

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03-04-2008, 12:04 PM	#63
verte76 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2002 Location: hoping for changes Posts: 23,331 Local Time: 07:15 PM	The districts in Texas are gerrymandered?

03-04-2008, 12:07 PM	#65
verte76 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: May 2002 Location: hoping for changes Posts: 23,331 Local Time: 07:15 PM	I think the Electoral College should be abolished. It wasn't fair that Gore won the popular vote and lost the election in 2000.

03-04-2008, 03:37 PM	#69
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,791 Local Time: 03:15 PM	Senator Clinton wins Ohio, not by much. Doesn't win Texas, not by much. Supposedly Sen Obama is ahead in the polls in Vermont and RI

03-04-2008, 04:45 PM	#70
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 23,001 Local Time: 03:15 PM	When do polls close tonight (all states)?

03-04-2008, 05:21 PM	#71
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 07:15 PM	From DailyKos: Vermont (15), 7 p.m. ET Ohio (141), 7:30 p.m. ET Rhode Island (21) 9 p.m. ET Texas (193) 9 p.m. ET, but El Paso is in a different time zone, so closes an hour later. And, to make things extra complicated, the caucuses begin after the polls close.

03-04-2008, 05:24 PM	#72
DaveC Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: slouching towards bethlehem Posts: 23,001 Local Time: 03:15 PM	Gracias. My prediction: Obama wins Texas, VT, and RI easily, Ohio is close but even if Hillary wins it won't be enough. The Clinton campaign is finished after tonight, but she'll stay in all the way up to the DNC.

03-04-2008, 05:26 PM	#73
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 07:15 PM	De nada your avatar

03-04-2008, 06:06 PM	#74
ladywithspinninghead Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 4,635 Local Time: 03:15 PM	CNN predicts Obama and McCain win for Vermont.

03-04-2008, 06:12 PM	#75
LarryMullen's POPAngel Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'll be up with the sun, I'm not coming down... Posts: 53,698 Local Time: 02:15 PM	It'd be nice if the polls in Ohio were open a little longer - didn't they do that when another state had to contend with bad weather?

03-04-2008, 06:18 PM	#76
U2democrat Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: England by way of 'Murica. Posts: 22,142 Local Time: 07:15 PM	They did extend the polls an hour in part of the state that has flooding.

03-04-2008, 06:26 PM	#77
Vincent Vega Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 6,750 Local Time: 09:15 PM	Vermont goes to Obama (53 to 45), and of course McCain.

03-04-2008, 06:37 PM	#78
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,603 Local Time: 11:15 AM	Exit polling just released Ohio - Hilllary by 10% Texas - Hillary by 4%

03-04-2008, 06:44 PM	#79
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 03:15 PM	What exit polls are those? The National Review Online has this: For the first set, Obama is up by 2 percent in Ohio, Hillary is up by 2 percent in Texas, Hillary is up by 3 percent in Rhode Island and Obama is up by a 2 to 1 margin in Vermont. The second set is similarly close - Hillary up by 2 percent in Ohio, the two Democrats tied in Texas, Obama ahead by 2 percent in Rhode Island and a similar 2 to 1 margin in Vermont.