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Old 01-10-2004, 03:18 PM   #1
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[Q]Girls expelled for charging boys to watch them kiss


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MONTREAL - Two Grade 7 girls were "encouraged" to leave their school after they were caught charging money for a public kissing session in the school cafeteria.
The 12-year-olds charged boys $5 to watch the lunch-hour show late last year.

The father of one of the girls said his daughter was basically expelled for her actions.

"She was thrown out of school," the unidentified man said after calling a CJAD phone-in show.

"She wasn't allowed back to school. She was told she had to go to a different school."

The man said the girl's parents agreed to get counselling for their daughter.

The students apparently got the idea for the kiss after watching Britney Spears and Madonna kiss during last year's MTV awards. [/Q]
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Wow! I'm not saying its okay for the girls to be doing what they did, they're only minors- but expelling them seems terribly harsh. Why on earth wouldn't the principle call the parents in and together talk with the girls about it and why it concerns them. The extent of their punishment is draconian imho.

And hey, is a kiss between 2 women (Brittney & Madonna) really all that big of a deal in this day and age? Anybody remember the episode on Friends when Monica & Rachel did it to get their apt back?
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i don't care if they were kissing, the thing is they were doing it for profit. but i agree...expultion is rather harsh. i can't stand school administrators, they are so overzealous, they take 'zero tolerence' WAY to far, ugh harsh memories are coming to me.
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they could have very lucrative careers in montreal with that kind of stuff.

but seriously, expulsion doesnt teach these two girls the lesson in self respect they would seem to be in need of.
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they could have very lucrative careers in montreal with that kind of stuff.

but seriously, expulsion doesnt teach these two girls the lesson in self respect they would seem to be in need of.
That would probably be where the couciling comes in....
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i can't stand school administrators, they are so overzealous, they take 'zero tolerence' WAY to far, ugh harsh memories are coming to me.
Administrators have no choice in this day and age......

lawsuits are hanging over educators head if they do not take action.....

As an educator.....in the elementary school....we have to cover our asses in dealing with children who pass love notes these days because they can be construed as harassment.

Would I like to be less overzealous....yes....do I have a family to take care of...two children of my own to feed....yes....Is it worth me losing my job over by not enforcing the rules....I think not.

Thank goodness so far, most of the problems I have dealt with can be dealt with easily and the parents have been supportive.
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lawsuits are hanging over educators head if they do not take action.....
Lawsuits by parents who spend more time on lawsuit than they do raising their children
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Lawsuits by parents who spend more time on lawsuit than they do raising their children
Sad but true.

That was the one thing I hated when in school-there were so many things we couldn't do, or we could do...after we filled out some form or something, that is...for fear that some moron was going to file some lawsuit. Dreadsox, that whole love notes thing is so stupid-that's potentially harassment now? Gimme a break. What was it, that story a long time ago about a kid who got in trouble 'cause they kissed another kid on the playground or something? The big deal over that was ridiculous.

And the worst part is, if a parent who files a lawsuit wins, that really doesn't help for a school that may already be having some financial struggles.

Anyway, as for the point of this thread...yeah, expelling them was definitely rather drastic.

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Lawsuits by parents who spend more time on lawsuit than they do raising their children
I work in an elementary school as well, and this statement is so sadly true.
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Dreadsox, that whole love notes thing is so stupid-that's potentially harassment now? Gimme a break.
I wish I were kidding......

Parent A calls the office.....speaks to my principle.
Parent A complains of notes given to her child by another Child B.

Child B and Child B's parents get called to the office and a discussion about harasssment.


I get called to the office and asked how I am not noticing the notes
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I am not certain they were expelled from the district...it appears they were moved to different buildings within the school system. Maybe I am reading it wrong.
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I wish I were kidding......

Parent A calls the office.....speaks to my principle.
Parent A complains of notes given to her child by another Child B.

Child B and Child B's parents get called to the office and a discussion about harasssment.


I get called to the office and asked how I am not noticing the notes
As I've mentioned in this thread, I work in an elementary school too, and I'll definitely back you up on this. Its shameful but true- this kind of thing goes on more often than most people would believe. What we used to call 'kissing tag' when I was a kid is now sexual harrassment (we're talking 6 & 7 year olds here) and my neck is in a noose if I'm on yard duty and don't immediately put a stop to it...even then there are phone calls by the vocal minority. If my impulse is to give a hurt or sad or teary eyed child a hug (which I do on instinct ) I'd better hope its never interpreted as an inappropriate hug or I can kiss my career goodbye. Its sad all round.
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i don't care if they were kissing, the thing is they were doing it for profit. but i agree...expultion is rather harsh. i can't stand school administrators, they are so overzealous, they take 'zero tolerence' WAY to far, ugh harsh memories are coming to me.
Homophobia is still incredibly rampant, and now you can see how it affects non-homosexuals in perceived homoerotic acts. There are plenty of examples of this phenomenon throughout the world.

Had that been a boy and a girl, they probably would have gotten a slap on the wrist, and that is what is sad.

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Homophobia is still incredibly rampant, and now you can see how it affects non-homosexuals in perceived homoerotic acts. There are plenty of examples of this phenomenon throughout the world.

Had that been a boy and a girl, they probably would have gotten a slap on the wrist, and that is what is sad.

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In general I would agree with you but in this case I disagree.....

The charging probably had a lot to do with it.

Recently administrators here in our area in MA were ripped for not handling two heterosexual children having oral sex on a bus harsh enough which would seem to indicate that the public is not particulary happy about sexual activity no matter what the orientation. And again, the focus of the problem became the administrators handling of the case, and not the behavior of the children.

The charging money to view adds a new element into it.
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Yep......that's too true.
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I'm not so much worried about the act of kissing itself, but doing it for the $5. Then is is up to teachers to inform parents and counselors to advise young people, male or female of inappropiate behavior in a school setting. Parents aren't always dropping the ball since they probably had on idea this was going on till it happened. Brittney & Madonna aside, these are underage children and guidance is still needed in this case. I do have a problem when common sense isn't used with the "zero tolerance rules" it's just absurd sometimes.
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I wish I were kidding......

Parent A calls the office.....speaks to my principle.
Parent A complains of notes given to her child by another Child B.

Child B and Child B's parents get called to the office and a discussion about harasssment.


I get called to the office and asked how I am not noticing the notes
I've heard of this scenario in very young levels at school - claims of harassment by 1st graders.
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I wish I were kidding......

Parent A calls the office.....speaks to my principle.
Parent A complains of notes given to her child by another Child B.

Child B and Child B's parents get called to the office and a discussion about harasssment.


I get called to the office and asked how I am not noticing the notes
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For god's sake, kids passed notes to each other all the time when my parents were kids, and it wasn't a huge deal then (other than maybe a teacher being irked that you're passing a note during class when you should be listening), why is it such a huge deal now? Where is this "harassment" claim coming from, why are people seeing it as harassment?

Also feel bad for you, LCK, particularly about the hugging thing. My sister remembers giving a friend a hug once a long time ago, it was to comfort her for something, and a teacher told them to stop it.

Stop what? They weren't hurting anybody!

Some people in this country are so incredibly stupid, it's incredible.

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What really bugs me about all these stories of children being accused of "harrassment" for comparatively innocent acts, is that at the same time, children seem to be permitted to behave in ways that would have been completely unthinkable just a few years ago.

It seems like now parents are more willing to believe that the teacher has been unfair to their child than to believe that their child might have actually behaved badly. My dad is a teacher and I'm absolutely amazed at some of the stories he's told me. Once he had a child who actually picked up a chair and THREW it across the room at my dad...but the best thing is that my dad was told he could lose his job if he refused to have the child in his classroom again. Apparently teachers now have to put up with being physically attacked by their students, and be threatened with losing their job if they object. He also has so many cases of a child's parents calling the school to complain that their child has been told off/asked to leave a class they were disrupting, etc. It must be just incomprehensible to them that their child could actually *deserve* to be told off.
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What really bugs me about all these stories of children being accused of "harrassment" for comparatively innocent acts, is that at the same time, children seem to be permitted to behave in ways that would have been completely unthinkable just a few years ago.

It seems like now parents are more willing to believe that the teacher has been unfair to their child than to believe that their child might have actually behaved badly. My dad is a teacher and I'm absolutely amazed at some of the stories he's told me. Once he had a child who actually picked up a chair and THREW it across the room at my dad...but the best thing is that my dad was told he could lose his job if he refused to have the child in his classroom again. Apparently teachers now have to put up with being physically attacked by their students, and be threatened with losing their job if they object. He also has so many cases of a child's parents calling the school to complain that their child has been told off/asked to leave a class they were disrupting, etc. It must be just incomprehensible to them that their child could actually *deserve* to be told off.
Yeah, I don't disagree with you there. That's absolutely ridiculous with the kid who threw the chair at your dad...kids like that deserve to be punished. I don't care what the reason was for the kid getting angry-kids will be angry at teachers sometimes, understandable-that gives them no right to potentially harm people like that.

Maybe that would explain why some of those school shootings went on...people may have wondered why the school didn't do something...well, if your post is correct, maybe they couldn't do anything. Maybe people threatened them to keep the kids in school or they'd lose their jobs or something.

It's just so frustrating that parents haven't taught their kids manners nowadays. In my old town (not the last one, the one before that), I remember kids disrupting classes all the time-blurting out irrelevant things, getting mouthy with the teachers, not doing their work, throwing things around the room (now, luckily, at that school, kids were allowed to be kicked out of a room, and possibly out of school, if they got to be that bad), and I would be sitting there and thinking, "Argh, would you shut up?" It just got so annoying.

But, then again, at that school, a lot of kids' parents were out until wee hours of the morning getting drunk and sleeping around with god knows who and doing all this other crap, so it's really no wonder that a lot of kids at school caused trouble. They had nobody at home to tell them to grow up and be mature.

How did it get to that point. How did a lot of kids' parents start to become so irresponsible?

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