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Old 04-12-2007, 11:31 AM   #1
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Iraqi Parliment Bombed

can we say it all again: there is no democracy without security.

tragic.



[q]Bombing at Iraqi parliament kills 8
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press Writer

A suspected suicide bomber blew himself up in the Iraqi parliament cafeteria Thursday, killing at least eight people in a stunning assault in the heart of the heavily fortified, U.S.-protected Green Zone.

The blast came hours after a suicide truck bomb exploded on a major bridge in Baghdad, collapsing the steel structure and sending cars tumbling into the Tigris River, police and witnesses said. At least 10 people were killed.

The parliament bombing was believed to be the deadliest attack in the Green Zone, the enclave that houses Iraq's leadership as well as the U.S. Embassy, and is secured by American and Iraqi checkpoints.

Security officials at parliament, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information, said they believed the bomber was a bodyguard of a Sunni member of parliament who was not among the dead. They would not name the member of parliament.

The officials also said two satchel bombs were found inside the building near the dining hall. A U.S. military bomb squad took the explosives away and detonated them without incident.

President Bush strongly condemned the attack, saying: "My message to the Iraqi government is `We stand with you.'"

"It reminds us, though, that there is an enemy willing to bomb innocent people in a symbol of democracy," he said at the White House.

Maj. Gen. William Caldwell told The Associated Press that eight people were killed in the attack, which witness accounts indicated was carried out by a suicide bomber.

"We don't know at this point who it was. We do know in the past that suicide vests have been used predominantly by al-Qaida," the U.S. military spokesman said.

Earlier, Iraqi officials said the bomber struck the cafeteria while several lawmakers were eating lunch, and at least three of them were killed. State television said 30 people were wounded.

After the blast, security guards sealed the building and no one — including lawmakers — was allowed to enter or leave.

A spokesman for the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad said no Americans were hurt.

The bombing came amid the two-month-old security crackdown in Baghdad, which has sought to restore stability in the capital so that the government of Iraq can take key political steps by June 30 or face a withdrawal of American support.[/q]
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This war is a lost cause and the war will end within the next 2 years regardless of who is elected.

So you can decide to have more people die in the meantime or pull out. It's a reality that this war is over.
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Old 04-12-2007, 12:47 PM   #3
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if you can't keep PARLIAMENT safe, what can you keep safe?
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Can we please NUKE Iran now?
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Stay on course, remember 9/11!
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Stay on course, remember 9/11!
yes


1. 911 = invade Iraq -----> *done
2. (whatever a stupid American Public will swallow) = bomb Iran --------> *to be completed
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back on topic

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Iraqi officials said the bomber struck the cafeteria while several politicians were eating lunch. State television said at least 30 people were wounded.

Security officials at parliament, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorised to release the information, said they believed the suicide bomber was a bodyguard of a Sunni member of parliament who was not among the dead. They would not name the member of parliament.

The officials also said two satchel bombs were found inside the building near the dining hall. A US military bomb squad was called and took the explosives away and detonated them without incident.
This sounds a lot like the Kind David Hotel Bombing

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The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bombing attack against the British government of Palestine by members of Irgun — a militant Zionist organization.

Members of the Irgun, dressed as Arabs, set off a bomb in the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, which had been the base for the British Secretariat, the military command and a branch of the Criminal Investigation Division (police). Ninety-one people were killed, most of them staff of the secretariat and the hotel: 28 British, 41 Arab, 17 Jewish, and 5 other. Around 45 people were injured.[1]

The attack was initially ordered by Menachem Begin, the head of the Irgun, who would later become Prime Minister of Israel. The attack was commanded by Yosef Avni and Yisrael Levi.
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Somewhere I read something about the war... Maybe it is not the right place for this but anyway: Fighting for peace is like f**ing fot virginity
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But can't you walk safely down certain streets there now...
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That will get a lot of hits,
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Dare I mention V for Vendetta?

"This country needs more than a building right now...it needs hope." (or something like that)
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Dare I mention V for Vendetta?

you just did
you trickster, you


I don't think we Americans have a clue what is going on in Iraq

we can argue about it
from our politics here

and really
are not most of us
just doing that?
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A bloody message from Iraq: nowhere is safe...

The day a suicide bomber struck at the heart of Iraq's democracy
By Patrick Cockburn
Published: 13 April 2007


Nowhere is safe. Insurgents struck in the heart of the Green Zone yesterday, one of the most heavily defended places in Baghdad. The symbolism - and the bloody message - was clear with this attack on the home to the US-imposed democracy.

A suicide bomber cleared at least eight rings of security to blow himself up in the Iraqi parliament,
killing eight people including three lawmakers as they were eating lunch. It was the most deadly attack mounted from within the Green Zone.

In a separate attack, the Iraqi capital was cut in two as one of the main bridges over the Tigris was blown up earlier in the day.

The Green Zone bombing was not only an assault on democracy. It was intended to undermine President George Bush's troop "surge", which is denounced as a sham by so many Iraqis.

But even Iraqis hardened to violence were shocked by the bloody scene in parliament. "I saw a ball of fire and heard a huge, loud explosion," said one witness. "There were pieces of flesh floating in the air."

The bodyguard of a Sunni member of parliament is suspected of detonating a vest packed with explosives in the restaurant beside the chamber where parliament meets. The success of a suicide bomber in penetrating one of the most tightly guarded buildings in the world could only have happened if he had help from other security men. The Iraqi parliament is well inside the heavily fortified Green Zone and is protected by eight layers of security, including at least three checks for explosives.

President Bush condemned the attack saying: "It reminds us that there is an enemy willing to bomb innocent people in a symbol of democracy."

The bombing is likely to increase scepticism that the two-month old American campaign to get control of Baghdad, the "surge", is achieving very much.

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Robert Fisk: Divide and rule - America's plan for Baghdad
Revealed: a new counter-insurgency strategy to carve up the city into sealed areas. The tactic failed in Vietnam. So what chance does it have in Iraq?
Published: 11 April 2007

Faced with an ever-more ruthless insurgency in Baghdad - despite President George Bush's "surge" in troops - US forces in the city are now planning a massive and highly controversial counter-insurgency operation that will seal off vast areas of the city, enclosing whole neighbourhoods with barricades and allowing only Iraqis with newly issued ID cards to enter.

The campaign of "gated communities" - whose genesis was in the Vietnam War - will involve up to 30 of the city's 89 official districts and will be the most ambitious counter-insurgency programme yet mounted by the US in Iraq.

The system has been used - and has spectacularly failed - in the past, and its inauguration in Iraq is as much a sign of American desperation at the country's continued descent into civil conflict as it is of US determination to "win" the war against an Iraqi insurgency that has cost the lives of more than 3,200 American troops. The system of "gating" areas under foreign occupation failed during the French war against FLN insurgents in Algeria and again during the American war in Vietnam. Israel has employed similar practices during its occupation of Palestinian territory - again, with little success.

But the campaign has far wider military ambitions than the pacification of Baghdad. It now appears that the US military intends to place as many as five mechanised brigades - comprising about 40,000 men - south and east of Baghdad, at least three of them positioned between the capital and the Iranian border. This would present Iran with a powerful - and potentially aggressive - American military force close to its border in the event of a US or Israeli military strike against its nuclear facilities later this year.
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The rest is here:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...cle2439530.ece
It should be noted that the counter insurgency effort in South Vietnam during the Vietnam war did eventually succeed and wiping out the insurgency in the South. By 1972, virtually all the fighting was being conducted by North Vietnamese troops, the insurgency in the south ceased to exist. So many people forget that South Vietnam was taken over several years after all United States forces had left, and was taken over through a military invasion along the lines of the German invasions of France and Poland, not through any sort of insurgency in the south or popular uprising.

Another city that the article fails to mention is Fallujah where the level of violence has significantly dropped since similar measures were taken there.

Israel has succeeded in creating a state with a first world standard of living in a sea of enemies. While its far from being terror proof, its certainly not a failure.
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Re: Iraqi Parliment Bombed

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Irvine511
[B]can we say it all again: there is no democracy without security.

Security is very important, and the security situation will only get worse if those providing vital important security task every day in Iraq are suddenly withdrawn as Democrats would like to see.
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Iraq is not Vietnam, not for or against is it Vietnam.

And partisan politics mean that there should never be a shooting war with human troops; bring on the robots.
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