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Old 10-26-2001, 02:24 PM   #21
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Read my newest "blood....boiling....angry..." post just to show you more of what I mean about this paradoxical emphasis on good works. I'm almost ashamed to be a Christian at times.

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Old 10-26-2001, 02:29 PM   #22
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I lived under the law of works, until I realized I would be more effective if I gave it up to God and let Him live through me.
Basically, stop trying so hard is what you're saying? I pretty much agree with that. I think those with faith and a good conscience will do fine, because, it's true. We aren't perfect, and never will be no matter how hard we try. Some equate imperfection with sinfulness, but I only see it as our intended design; that one, no matter how hard they try, cannot live without God.

BTW, to add to the Catholic complication, the Pope once proclaimed off-hand back around 1998 that it is faith alone that saves, but he never really said it officially, so that only complicates the mess. I'm more with Martin Luther on this now personally, but I've been that way for a while now. I'm still very much Catholic than Protestant, though, overall.

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Basically, stop trying so hard is what you're saying? I pretty much agree with that. I think those with faith and a good conscience will do fine, because, it's true. that one, no matter how hard they try, cannot live without God.

I'm more with Martin Luther on this now personally,
Yeep, I think that people set these standards for themselves and set them selves up for a fall when they inevitably fail. And when we try to do things on our own, we will ultimately fail - somewhere down the line. I think that probably many people have committed suicide because they failed in trying to live up to some "good works" standard that Jesus didn't set for them in teh first place. If we would have been able to be "good", he wouldn't have had to die on the cross. Now, that doesn't mean that you or I think that because someone's a Christian, he/she can do any sin they want. I think that you are right in that if a person has faith in Jesus, he will want to be in God's will. But thank The Lord we have His Holy Spirit to work through us! That's the power key!

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I think that probably many people have committed suicide because they failed in trying to live up to some "good works" standard that Jesus didn't set for them in teh first place.
80s, I agree with you on a lot of points, but not this one. First of all, I think that "many" people is relative. Secondly, many anthropologists, and especially sociologists (most notably Emile Durkheim, the "father of modern sociology") have written series of very convincing articles and books concerning suicide. Much of the thinking debunks the idea that suicide is an inherently individual act. One way Durkheim opposed this is by studying people in different societies/countries/socio-economic backgrounds, and found that suicide rates were vastly different, thus indicating that social factors may be primary determinants in the committing of suicide. That's why I don't really agree that "many" people killed themselves because they couldn't measure up to some arbitrary "good works" system.

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Yours is the notion that Christianity contradicts the Hindu doctrine; I see no such contradiction.
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I have no such "notion". I refer to two respected volumes on world religions to inspire debate. I told you which books it came from, so I didn't present my biased opinions or state there are "contradictions."
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Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Christianity is not about doing good works in order to gain acceptance into the kingdom of God. A reading of the New Testament makes this plain. Good works will not get you into Heaven. Only beliefe in the saving grace of Christ Jesus will do that.
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And will you go to Hell if you don't?
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Now, back to 8osU2isBest:

I know that this questions was really posted as a segue into that funny story (I like dit, by the way), and not really intended to receive an answer, and in the past, I wouldn't have answered this question, because I didn't want to appear judgmental. But now I feel that I need to respond, regardless of what opinions people will form of me because of this. The answer is not popular in tis day and time. Yes, according to the Bible, ultimate rejection of Jesus Christ will send you to hell. What do I mean by "ultimate rejection"? I mean that when it's all over and it's time to be judged, if you have had one or more opportunity to accept Christ, and you have understood the message of Christ and have said in your heart that you do not need Him or believe in His act of grace, then God will find no place for you in His kingdom. And folks, this isn't God's fault...it's ours. We've been told by his word what we need to do. And it's not as if he's saying "I don't want to let you in today, because I have something against you personally. Buh-bye!" Nope, he sadly says "I never knew you". You see, unforgiven sinners can't be let into Heaven because they still have the mark of sin on their lives. It hasn't been washed away by the blood of Jesus. Because of God's holiness, he can't even look upon sin. That is the reason that God "turned away" from Jesus when he was on the cross...because at that moment the sins of the world were cast upon Jesus (not that He sinned, but that He was paying the price, so he Had to take those sins to the grave with Him). People think God sends people to hell. It's actually more that we are destined to hell from our very first "knowing" sin, and in an act of grace, Christ died to give us the opportunity to escape that etrenity. Now what about babies, or children, or people who have never heard, or people who can't understand? I believe that babies and children get an automatic ticket to Heaven, because they are not aware of their sin - they don't know right from wrong. I think the same goes for the mentally retarded who can't understand the gospel of Christ and/or don't know right from wrong. As for people who have not the true gospel of Christ presented to them, or never the opportunity to accept Christ? I don't believe they will automatically go to hell. But I also don't believe they will get an automatic ticket to Heaven. The Bible says that these people have God's law of love written on their hearts. So, while they may not know the name "Jesus", God has somehow given to them a sort of "inner knowledge" of His love and mercy and His holy nature". I believe they are then judged on how they deal with what they do know.
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