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Old 02-04-2008, 02:52 PM   #81
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. All politicians are actors.
This surprises you how?
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There's no way Hillary will be the VP, so I don't see your point.
Right. Obama would be a fool to pick Hillary.
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And she knows it, too.
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McCain and Hillary by a nose.


that's my hunch too.
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Old 02-04-2008, 04:16 PM   #85
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Hillary by a nose is probably a victory for Obama.

Not how she imagined Super Tuesday turning out...
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Old 02-04-2008, 04:19 PM   #86
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I agree.

A year ago, heck even 2 months ago, Hillary led Obama probably in all of those state by at least 20 points.

For it to be a struggle shows HUGE turnaround.
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There's no way either one would be the others VP.
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this has been a victory for Obama. even if he doesn't win, he's now the biggest rock star in the Senate, and he's more than young enough to bide time and plot and wield his now formidable influence -- he's more a movement, now, than a man -- for the next 4-8 years.
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The war in question is NOT World War II. It was called the Korean War(1950 to 1953). Truman's unpopularity at the end of his term was do to the country's involvement and Trumans handling of the Korean War which was essentially a Civil War between the North And the South in a relatively poor country.
So you're saying that the war in Iraq is essentially a civil war in a relatively poor country?
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Eight years ago, I remember how excited I was to cast my first vote in a presidential race. I voted for compassionate conservatism. I voted for Bush. A lot has happened in my life since then, and I won't go into it all here. Suffice it to say though, I am completely cured of any loyalty I ever felt to the Republican party.

I wasn't able to vote in 04 because getting all of the necessary paperwork together to vote absentee while being a Peace Corps volunteer ended up being too much. But I'll never forget walking into work the day of the elections. My African colleagues all eagerly asked me if I had voted (against Bush) and were horrified to learn that I hadn't completed the formalities in time. I'll never forget what they said to me. "You have to vote! The outcome of this will affect all of us around the world, but we have no voice. You have to be our voice. You must vote."

Four years later, I'm glad to be able to make my voice heard.
Weren't you a Michael Bolton fan back then?

I'm just trying to do the math;something isn't adding up.

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So you're saying that the war in Iraq is essentially a civil war in a relatively poor country?
No, I said the Korean war was essentially a civil war which is not the situation that you have in Iraq. That Iraq "is a Civil War" is the catch phrase Democrats love to use to justify withdrawal. Never mind I guess that Democrats supported military intervention in two real civil wars in the 1990s in Bosnia and Kosovo. Iraq is not a poor country compared to 1950 Korea. In fact, if it was not for Saddam, Iraq could potentially be the riches country in the middle east.
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That Iraq "is a Civil War" is the catch phrase Democrats love to use to justify withdrawal.
I love how you describe every counter-argument as a "liberal catchphrase."
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No, I said the Korean war was essentially a civil war which is not the situation that you have in Iraq. That Iraq "is a Civil War" is the catch phrase Democrats love to use to justify withdrawal.
You are the one roughly equating one president and his war to the other.

Or maybe the two aren't that comparable.
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Or maybe the two aren't that comparable.


they are when they need to be in order to justify the indefensible.

it's amazing how one will gloss over the Korean War as "essentially" a civil war, and yet kick and scream and sob about how Sunnis and Shiites slaughtering each other and battling for control of Baghdad somehow isn't a civil war.

facts only exist to be shaped. this is what the WMD fiasco has taught us.
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No, just because someone may be relatively unpopular in the opinion polls during part of their Presidency does not mean that will remain so years later.
So maybe, just maybe, Bush will still be considered one of the worst presidents in U.S. history 50 years from now.

Oh, and I was just wondering. Is the reason people like Harry Truman so much these days because of his handling of the Korean War?
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My money is on Clinton but my heart is with Obama.

I'd be happy to lose the money.
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I want to vote for Edwards, but if I can't I'm voting for Obama.
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Bush is the worst President we've ever had. The idiot!
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My money is on Clinton but my heart is with Obama.

I'd be happy to lose the money.

I agree.

When [Bill] Clinton said Obama is a roll of the dice, my response was I want to take that bet!
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I think it will be a draw between Obama and Clinton, and this will continue for quite a while.
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