equality blooms with spring

[diamond]

*sigh*

lecture me here, lecture me there.

People have been predicting drug usage being legalize for the last 40 years and it still hasn't happened.

*yawn*

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[deep]

Ted Olson, the Solicitor General for George Bush



his wife, Barbara was killed in the 911 attacks




Ted has been married to women more than once. He has never married a man.


I think if anyone understands what marriage means it is Ted Olson.

He is a decent, principled, patriotic American.


I accept his judgment.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by diamond

People have been predicting drug usage being legalize for the last 40 years and it still hasn't happened.

*yawn*

Yeah, legalized gay marriage is totally insane, we all must be imagining Massachussetts, Vermont, Canada, etc.

[diamond]

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?

[anitram]

Is that from the Bible of those Christians that don't think that you're one of them?

[diamond]

Regardless of what

"those Christians
the Mormon"

as you have referred to them here on the boards...it....doesn't circumvent what the Master said about and how He defined marriage.





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[anitram]

Originally Posted by diamond

.it....doesn't circumvent what the Master said about and how He defined marriage.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Mohandas Gandhi

[diamond]

Yes Mohandas was also witty.
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[BVS]

Originally Posted by diamond

"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,'and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh'?

What's interesting is that the woman doesn't leave her father or mother, so that must mean he moves in with them, why would he not mention that? He didn't mention anything of race mixing, it must not be the way it was intentioned. How could Joseph Smith become one flesh with at least 33 women?

[deep]

Originally Posted by deep

Ted Olson, the Solicitor General for George Bush



his wife, Barbara was killed in the 911 attacks




I think if anyone understands what marriage means it is Ted Olson.

He is a decent, principled, patriotic American.


I accept his judgment.

Ted Olson has filed suit in US District Court to stop the enforcement of Proposition 8, allowing same sex couples to marry, while the matter of decided in federal courts. Ted Olson fully expects the question to go all the way to the United States Supreme Court.

According to Byron York, writing in the Washington Examiner, Ted Olson said, in explaining his support for same sex marriage, "I personally think it is time that we as a nation get past distinguishing people on the basis of sexual orientation, and that a grave injustice is being done to people by making these distinctions. I thought their cause was just."

Ted Olson's heading the legal team that will fight Proposition 8 in the courts has raised the eyebrows of other conservatives. Hot Air's Ed Morrissey said, "Having Ted Olson head this plaintiff's legal team, along with David Boies, will certainly give some conservatives considerable pause. He's been a hero to the Right, so much so that Rudy Giuliani tapped him for the presidential campaign to give himself credibility on judicial restraint.
What happens to Olson's standing now?"

Some do not want this to hit the Supreme Court, now.

I hope it does, why not let Scalia go down in history as the author of a 'Dred Scott Decision"?

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by deep

Some do not want this to hit the Supreme Court, now.

I hope it does, why not let Scalia go down in history as the author of a 'Dred Scott Decision"?

Funny, seems like just yesterday we were being told this isn't a federal or constitutional issue but an issue for each state to decide.

[deep]

I have never believed that.

Why should the Federal Tax benefits along with the Federal Social Security Benefits attached to marriage be a State issue?

That was the same argument used in Civil Rights, that it was for the States to decide.

[martha]

Originally Posted by diamond

Good, it just took you a few days to understand the ruling.

Before you go around hugging people, you might want to read up on the decision. They agreed that a referendum holds, but they cited the need for marriage equality and equal protection under the state Constitution.

[martha]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Funny, seems like just yesterday we were being told this isn't a federal or constitutional issue but an issue for each state to decide.

You need to get on new email lists. Most marriage equality groups want this to be decided on state levels before it goes to Feds.

[diamond]

Thank goodness for the DOMA.

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[BVS]

I still want to know how the 34 became one flesh...

[diamond]

The same way Abraham and King David did, thru a commandment of God until it was taken from the earth. They were called "polygamous marriages" because opposing sexes were united by God.

And they can be defined as marriages because the parties involved were 2 parties of opposing sexes, thus they were marriages - not 2 men or two women establishing a consensual sexual relationship.



Labeling it gay partnerships "marriage" which connotes the uniting of 2 people of opposing sexes, doesn't fit the definition.




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[BoMac]

[phillyfan26]

Originally Posted by diamond

The same way Abraham and King David did, thru a commandment of God until it was taken from the earth. They were called "polygamous marriages" because opposing sexes were united by God.

And they can be defined as marriages because the parties involved were 2 parties of opposing sexes, thus they were marriages - not 2 men or two women establishing a consensual sexual relationship.



Labeling it gay partnerships "marriage" which connotes the uniting of 2 people of opposing sexes, doesn't fit the definition.




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So, we change the definition. Thus, the people who are so loyal to the dictionaries can be satisfied too. Done.

[phillyfan26]

Originally Posted by diamond

Regardless of what

"those Christians
the Mormon"

as you have referred to them here on the boards...it....doesn't circumvent what the Master said about and how He defined marriage.





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And no law can be made respecting an establishment of religion, so that argument is automatically out the window.