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Old 03-08-2003, 07:12 AM   #1
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Dr. Blix...How come you did not report everything?

Iraqi drone 'could drop chemicals on troops'
From James Bone in New York

A REPORT declassified by the United Nations yesterday contained a hidden bombshell with the revelation that inspectors have recently discovered an undeclared Iraqi drone with a wingspan of 7.45m, suggesting an illegal range that could threaten Iraq’s neighbours with chemical and biological weapons.
US officials were outraged that Hans Blix, the chief UN weapons inspector, did not inform the Security Council about the drone, or remotely piloted vehicle, in his oral presentation to Foreign Ministers and tried to bury it in a 173-page single-spaced report distributed later in the day. The omission raised serious questions about Dr Blix’s objectivity.

“Recent inspections have also revealed the existence of a drone with a wingspan of 7.45m that has not been declared by Iraq,” the report said. “Officials at the inspection site stated that the drone had been test-flown. Further investigation is required to establish the actual specifications and capabilities of these RPV drones . . . (they) are restricted by the same UN rules as missiles, which limit their range to 150km (92.6 miles).

Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, told the Security Council in February that Washington had evidence that Iraq had test-flown a drone in a race-track pattern for 500km non-stop.

In another section of the declassified report, the inspectors give warning that Iraq still has spraying devices and drop tanks that could be used in dispersing chemical and biological agents from aircraft. “A large number of drop tanks of various types, both imported and locally manufactured, are available and could be modified,” it says.

The paper, obtained by The Times, details the possible chemical and biological arsenal that British and US Forces could face in an invasion of Iraq. The paper suggests that Iraq has huge stockpiles of anthrax, may be developing long-range missiles and could possess chemical and biological R400 aerial bombs and Scud missiles, and even smallpox.

Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, told his fellow Security Council Foreign Ministers that the document was a“chilling read”.

General Powell resorted to reading passages from the paper out loud in the Council chamber. He pointed out that it chronicled nearly 30 times when Iraq had failed to provide credible evidence to substantiate its claims, and 17 instances when inspectors uncovered evidence that contradicted those claims. But his draft copy, dating from a meeting of the inspectors’ advisory board last week, did not contain the crucial passage about the new drone.

The decision by Dr Blix to declassify the internal report marks the first time the UN has made public its suspicions about Iraq’s banned weapons programmes, rather than what it has been able to actually confirm. “Unmovic has credible information that the total quantity of biological warfare agent in bombs, warheads and in bulk at the time of the Gulf War was 7,000 litres more than declared by Iraq. This additional agent was most likely all anthrax,” it says.

The report says there is “credible information” indicating that 21,000 litres of biological warfare agent, including some 10,000 litres of anthrax, was stored in bulk at locations around the country during the war and was never destroyed.

The paper, a collection of 29 “clusters” of questions for Iraq, offers some reassurance about Iraq’s missing botulinum toxin, which Unmovic believed is “unlikely to retain much, if any, of its potency” if it has been stockpiled since 1991.
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In my opinion, Dr. Blix is being played like a fiddle by Saddam Hussein. He is also if the report above is true, leaving things out and not providing the Security Council the whole picture. I am rapidly falling into line with the administrations position that we will act without the UN's permission.

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General Powell resorted to reading passages from the paper out loud in the Council chamber. He pointed out that it chronicled nearly 30 times when Iraq had failed to provide credible evidence to substantiate its claims, and 17 instances when inspectors uncovered evidence that contradicted those claims.

Yesssss.....this is compliance....this is cooperation!!!!!
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Edit, was off topic. Sorry.
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It sounds like the UN is turning into Screw-Up City. I'm confused. The British wanted to work with the UN, the last I heard. I'm off to check some more reports.
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It sounds like the UN is turning into Screw-Up City. I'm confused. The British wanted to work with the UN, the last I heard. I'm off to check some more reports.

Did you realy think that the UN was a place of democration and respect ?

The UN is all about selling en buying votes, manipulation and desrepect for other opinions.


BTW, Blix repoterted everything in the papers that he give out after his speech but he did not read it out loud in his speech.


Read you,....
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I beg to differ with your first statement, Rono, just for the record.
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Did you realy think that the UN was a place of democration and respect ?

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Read you,....
no, alot of us dont.

Yes
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Well my friend Rono, it's quite impossible to live up to a word, i.e. democration, that doesn't exist.

Perhaps you were thinking democratization?

So just who's example of democratization should the UN follow? George Bush's?

Dont make me sick.
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Dont make me sick.
I fail to see how comments like this and ridiculing ones knowledge of the english language (shoot me, I'm dutch) can lead to a healthy debate

so my proposition is,
that you don't post stuff like that anymore
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Anyhow, no doubt that the UN could have more democratic options on certain issues, like giving more consideration to the Group of 55 instead of other groups. But if you take a look on the UN charta and UN documents, I have to say that the principles laid down there favor a very democratic appraoch. How could it be any different? After all it is the United Nations, not one nation.
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people just dont seem to have any desire to address this issue, if it were the Bush Administration leaving something crucial out of a report there would be 100 angry replies to this thread, instaed, we have stuff about the correct part of speech of a word

if this is the example the UN is setting, how can they have any authority in telling others how to run their governments? people everyday ask this question of the US, but refuse to hold the UN to similar standards, interesting...
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Well my friend Rono, it's quite impossible to live up to a word, i.e. democration, that doesn't exist.

Perhaps you were thinking democratization?

So just who's example of democratization should the UN follow? George Bush's?

Dont make me sick.
I meant Democracy,...


The UN is not a place where you can find democracy.


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people just dont seem to have any desire to address this issue, if it were the Bush Administration leaving something crucial out of a report there would be 100 angry replies to this thread, instaed, we have stuff about the correct part of speech of a word
You noticed this too? It is getting so that you have to put either AIDS or George Bush in the thread to get a response.
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I am rapidly falling into line with the administrations position that we will act without the UN's permission.
Heheh, well a few weeks ago you predicted you'd go this route, so there's no surprise here.
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Ahhhh, I see, one is only your "brother" if they agree with the Republican party line. Damn, diamond, I guess I'll never get to be one of your bros.
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well people certainly have seen it, dreadsox, nearly 300 views but no one has anything to say!
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if this is the example the UN is setting, how can they have any authority in telling others how to run their governments? people everyday ask this question of the US, but refuse to hold the UN to similar standards, interesting...
This is, of course, the main point of the U.N., and also it's most dangerous weapon... the destruction of State sovereignty. An world governing body telling world nation states how to run their government... I've heard of this somewhere else before too.
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Well, I've not found any other newsite that has reported this particular incident. I would imagine if it was quite the seedy story of deception that this particular article was making out, that at least some of the major newsites (ie BBC, CNN, Reuters etc) may have picked up on it too. I could be wrong tho, it wouldn't be the first time
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James Bone writes for the London Times. But here you go, a second article on the topic:

War on Terror archive



March 08, 2003



General Colin Powell (right) and Sir Jeremy Greenstock, British Ambassador to the UN, confer beside Jack Straw yesterday




Iraq gets ten days to avert war
By Philip Webster, James Bone and Roland Watson




SADDAM HUSSEIN has ten days to disarm or face the certainty of a war led by America and Britain.
Tony Blair took the gamble of his life last night when he demanded that the UN Security Council agree to a final deadline of March 17 for the Iraqi leader to come into line.

The Prime Minister did so without any guarantee of securing the nine UN votes needed on Tuesday for a resolution authorising war or of stopping France and Russia vetoing it. And he did so in the face of a report from Hans Blix which concluded that Iraq had carried out a “substantial measure of disarmament”. The chief UN weapons inspector said: “We are not watching the breaking of toothpicks, lethal weapons are being destroyed.”

Dr Blix did not, however, tell the Security Council until after yesterday’s foreign ministers’ meeting that he had discovered a new Iraqi drone that could be used to spray chemical weapons over a range of 300 miles.

The ultimatum was proposed by Jack Straw in a dramatic speech in which he called on the international community to uphold the will of the UN.

France’s Dominique de Villepin had rejected the deadline as a pretext for war, declaring “We cannot accept an ultimatum as long as inspectors are reporting co-operation. France will not allow a resolution to pass that authorises the automatic use of force.”

But Mr Straw took on M Villepin in open combat, saying that the pressure on Saddam had come because there were “over 200,000 US and UK young men and young women willing to put their lives on the line for the sake of this body, the UN”. Saddam must be put to the test.

The Foreign Secretary accused M de Villepin of posing a “false choice” in suggesting that the Council could choose peace or war: “The choice, Dominique, is not ours as to how this disarmament takes place, it is Saddam Hussein’s.”

Mr Blair has put his career on the line by deciding to put a resolution to a vote next week. It reads: “Iraq will have failed to take the final opportunity afforded in Resolution 1441 unless, on or before 17 March, 2003, the Council concludes that Iraq had demonstrated full, unconditional, immediate and active co-operation.”

President Bush had agreed with Mr Blair that diplomacy should be given a final week to end the crisis. But there is no doubt that whatever happens to the resolution, America will be ready to go to war the week after next — with British troops alongside.

UN backing is not essential for Mr Bush, but he is fully aware that Mr Blair needs it to win Labour Party and British public support for military action. If the resolution fails, Mr Blair will face a revolt even larger than last week’s, when 121 Labour MPs voted against him. That would raise serious questions about his future.

Britain’s decision to table the deadline came after frantic discussions involving Mr Straw, Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, and the key “swing” members of the Security Council, some of whom were consulted over the wording of the amendment. If they get the nine votes they need, Britain and America will effectively dare France and Russia to veto it. There were signs last night that Russia might soften its position after calls from Mr Blair and Mr Bush.

Dr Blix said that Iraq had begun to co-operate with his inspectors; 34 proscribed al-Samoud 2 missiles had been destroyed and papers had been supplied relating to anthrax stocks. Of the scrapping of the al-Samoud missiles, he said: “The destruction undertaken constitutes a substantial measure of disarmament.” Baghdad’s co-operation “can be seen as active, or even proactive”, he concluded. Dr Blix had also, however, submitted a 167-page report in which he suggested that Iraq still had huge stocks of biological and chemical weapons and that it might be relaunching banned missile programmes.

Downing Street said that the report showed that co-operation was neither immediate nor full; Mr Straw described the report as chilling and General Powell quoted passages to show that Saddam’s intent had not changed and that Iraq was “moving down the path to weapons of mass destruction”.

But Dr Blix infuriated America by failing to tell the foreign ministers about the discovery of a new Iraqi drone with a wingspan of more than seven metres. The drone, which is subject to the same UN rules as missiles, had been test-flown for 500km (300 miles) non-stop; the UN limit is 150km.

The discovery was reported in a six-page addendum to Dr Blix’s report, which was not circulated until after the Security Council meeting.
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