Do you believe in soul mates? - Page 2

Angela Harlem · 09-09-2002, 06:05 AM

I believe in them. I guess they are soulmates anyway, those people who mean the world to you, those who 'connect' so completely. Make you feel complete, and in turn allow you to give back. I dont know if I agree with that loving yourself first though. Sometimes you find someone who gives you total and unconditional love and that changes you, helps you learn how to love back.
I also dont really think it is limited to one person in a lifetime, nor one at a time. At any one moment, we love many people in our lives. It is not just romantic love, it is all the other kinds as well. Human nature leans toward being 'in love' with one person at a time in most situations, but still loving many others.
I also think it can happen over and over. Each experience is unique but is not exclusive. You may find a life partner and have that taken away, but can meet another who is different, yet still connects with you I think. We let our emotions tell us it will never be the same again and maybe sometimes confuse that to mean it wont happen again, but I think it does. It will be a new experience, but a total connection nonetheless.

TripThruUreWires · 09-09-2002, 08:41 AM

i believe that soulmate status can be achieved so long as both people's hearts are willing.

hiphop · 09-09-2002, 09:26 AM

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Originally posted by The Wanderer
it wasn't political enough

you should throw some stuff in about the United States, God and Satan

LMAO!!!!

Hmm Cowgirl... the spirituality thang now goes on in "The Goal is Soul"... I think the soulmate theme is a NICE one and therefore maybe wouldn�t be honoured enough in FYM... what can I say? Oh, it�s back in FYM. Fine, then.

Soulsugar. Brother. Sister. I think there are some

"I have a lover a lover like no other she�s got soul soul soul..."

I think you can even have different opinions, but still be soulmates. People change, lives change... f.e. I got a friend, right, he is together with a girl I wouldn�t favor because he has earned a better one, I think, but he is my soulmate, absolutely. Then there is this wonderful ex who has not only introduced me to the U2, but also taught me how to treat women, in some ways. She�s my soulmate, even if we are not able to live together because we are so very different.

meegannie · 09-09-2002, 09:54 AM

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Originally posted by Angela Harlem
I believe in them. I guess they are soulmates anyway, those people who mean the world to you, those who 'connect' so completely. Make you feel complete, and in turn allow you to give back. I dont know if I agree with that loving yourself first though. Sometimes you find someone who gives you total and unconditional love and that changes you, helps you learn how to love back.

I completely agree with this.

Anthony · 09-09-2002, 02:09 PM

I don't believe in soul mates.

I think its just a way to avoid facing the cold hard fact that no one ever understands another person completely.

It's purely popular romanticism.

Ant.

Salome · 09-09-2002, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by Anthony
its just a way to avoid facing the cold hard fact that no one ever understands another person completely.

I think that love has got a lot to do with finding a person whom you have no problem with that you don't completely understand him/her

I agree noone is able to fully understand another person though

Anthony · 09-09-2002, 02:41 PM

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I think that love has got a lot to do with finding a person whom you have no problem with that you don't completely understand him/her

I agree.

I do think that the idea of soul mates can bring confusion into the idea of love. Is there love because they are soul mates, or in spite of not being soul mates? I believe in the latter.

The best one human being can have, is a passion for understanding another's human condition, and being able to extract love from that.

Ant.

anitram · 09-09-2002, 03:43 PM

I don't know.

I'd like to believe they exist, because that would lead to such a simplification of matters. Also, it's a lovely idea.

However, I fear it's kind of lazy thinking - if we leave it all up to fate to lead us to our soulmate, it's a means of excusing our need to get up off our ass and do something about our lives.

CannibalisticArtist · 09-10-2002, 02:38 AM

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Originally posted by Anthony
I don't believe in soul mates.

I think its just a way to avoid facing the cold hard fact that no one ever understands another person completely.

It's purely popular romanticism.

Ant.

bingo.

foray · 09-10-2002, 02:42 AM

I hate the word 'soumate' because it's been injected with all this hallmark-ism.

I don't believe in fate that brings soulmates together.

I believe in kindred spirits, hence why there can be many.

foray

Angela Harlem · 09-10-2002, 02:46 AM

Are they all not essentially the same thing? I dont call anyone a soulmate, and its all good for those who do, but I know there are some people who for whatever reason, are particularly special.

hiphop · 09-10-2002, 03:48 AM

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Originally posted by Anthony
I don't believe in soul mates.

I think its just a way to avoid facing the cold hard fact that no one ever understands another person completely.

It's purely popular romanticism.

Ant.

Actually, I don�t believe that you really are this opinion. I think you just want to steer up the discussion

True?

cass · 09-10-2002, 05:28 AM

I suppose you would have to have a very clear definiton of the term "soul mate" If you then did believe in the idea and it meant there is only one individual who is perfect for you,you would have to be very lucky to meet them.
The odds of each of us meeting them would not be that great.
Whereas kindred spirits abound. The concept of a soul mate in marriage seems a very chancy thing. Hoping and waiting to find yours for a long term marriage may lead to some disapointment.
Dive in anyway, the water's fine.
But I think two people, like your best friend, the one who knows so much about you and still loves you,the one you can ring too early in the morning when you have to, the one who'll stay up late and listen when you have to....... you know the one? they are the real mate.
MATES

best,old , trusted, great,weird, wonderful, faraway, flat, school, bed, room, soul....in all their forms...I

mates

I can't even recall your original Q. Hmmm, hope that answered...something

Anthony · 09-10-2002, 05:39 PM

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Actually, I don�t believe that you really are this opinion. I think you just want to steer up the discussion

No, actually, that IS my opinion. LOL. You're wrong, I really am as bitter and twisted as I made myself out to be.

No, seriously, of course I believe in what I said. Is it really os hard to believe? Do I really look like some hyperactive Romantic? I think its a pretty realistic opinion.

Ant.

hiphop · 09-11-2002, 05:51 AM

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Originally posted by Anthony

No, actually, that IS my opinion. LOL. You're wrong, I really am as bitter and twisted as I made myself out to be.

No, seriously, of course I believe in what I said. Is it really os hard to believe? Do I really look like some hyperactive Romantic? I think its a pretty realistic opinion.

Ant.

What makes you think no one ever understands another person completely? Because everyone is unique? I mean, it depends on how you define completely. Most persons don�t understand their own personality completely. A psychotherapy usually messes up things even worse.

But what about children? Don�t you think they are able to understand to a "complete" extent? To simply understand, on another level? Don�t you think grandparents are able to understand their children, because they�ve been through the same? This has nothing to do with romanticism.

Anthony · 09-11-2002, 02:25 PM

Yes, whenhiphopdrovethebigcars, I do believe that a lot of understanding is possible - I believe that 'essential' understanding is possible, but not complete understanding, simple because most people don't understand themselves anyway.

Perhaps I should explain.

Two people may love each other and spend an entire lifetime with each other, however, and I absolutely guarantee you, one day one of them will completely suprise the other, and vice versa. It is this element of surprise that proves to the other party that there is an entire universe in that person he or she loves, and because of such a sheer scope - it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to understand and know every single detail about the person.

I believe that humans are complicated beings, they contain their own private and personal universes (whether intellectual and emotional) with hundreds of shades of grey to nearly every infinite subject - how can one person EVER hope to understand another entirely?

However, I do believe in 'partial' or 'essential' understanding. Humans are indeed able to understand each other, two people who love each other, for instance, may understand and know each other better than any other person in the universe, however, this does not entitle 'complete understanding'.

My criticism of romanticism is this image, this imago of a 'soul mate' that two souls are destined to find each other and live as two halves of the same - I don't buy it.

Ant.

foray · 09-11-2002, 09:35 PM

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Originally posted by Angela Harlem
Are they all not essentially the same thing? I dont call anyone a soulmate, and its all good for those who do, but I know there are some people who for whatever reason, are particularly special.

Ooh, Ang, was qn this directed at me? If it was, the difference between soulmate and kindred spirit is this:

To me, 'soulmate' implies all the fatalistic romanticism that Anthony (see his posts) doesn't buy.

And 'kindred spirit' is more realistic because it simply means people who 'click' together in a very special way; nothing to do with fate/destiny at all. For more info on kindred spirits, consult your nearest Anne Of Green Gables volume

foray

Cowgirl · 09-12-2002, 01:27 AM

unless they are in fact a 'bosom friend' heeeeh

i think gilbert blythe is my soul mate

Angela Harlem · 09-12-2002, 02:35 AM

hey forte, I didn't mean to single you out with that, your reply made me ask the question though. I'm with those not applying a hallmark philosophy to love and those you love, so I guess I was just musing at what, if any, difference there is between the 2. I think you summed it up though.

Gawd, its been years since I read Anne...hehe.

hiphop · 09-13-2002, 05:39 AM

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Originally posted by Anthony
Yes, whenhiphopdrovethebigcars, I do believe that a lot of understanding is possible - I believe that 'essential' understanding is possible, but not complete understanding, simple because most people don't understand themselves anyway.

Perhaps I should explain.

Two people may love each other and spend an entire lifetime with each other, however, and I absolutely guarantee you, one day one of them will completely suprise the other, and vice versa. It is this element of surprise that proves to the other party that there is an entire universe in that person he or she loves, and because of such a sheer scope - it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to understand and know every single detail about the person.

I believe that humans are complicated beings, they contain their own private and personal universes (whether intellectual and emotional) with hundreds of shades of grey to nearly every infinite subject - how can one person EVER hope to understand another entirely?

However, I do believe in 'partial' or 'essential' understanding. Humans are indeed able to understand each other, two people who love each other, for instance, may understand and know each other better than any other person in the universe, however, this does not entitle 'complete understanding'.

My criticism of romanticism is this image, this imago of a 'soul mate' that two souls are destined to find each other and live as two halves of the same - I don't buy it.

Ant.

09-09-2002, 06:05 AM	#21
Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 03:37 AM	I believe in them. I guess they are soulmates anyway, those people who mean the world to you, those who 'connect' so completely. Make you feel complete, and in turn allow you to give back. I dont know if I agree with that loving yourself first though. Sometimes you find someone who gives you total and unconditional love and that changes you, helps you learn how to love back. I also dont really think it is limited to one person in a lifetime, nor one at a time. At any one moment, we love many people in our lives. It is not just romantic love, it is all the other kinds as well. Human nature leans toward being 'in love' with one person at a time in most situations, but still loving many others. I also think it can happen over and over. Each experience is unique but is not exclusive. You may find a life partner and have that taken away, but can meet another who is different, yet still connects with you I think. We let our emotions tell us it will never be the same again and maybe sometimes confuse that to mean it wont happen again, but I think it does. It will be a new experience, but a total connection nonetheless. __________________

09-09-2002, 08:41 AM	#22
TripThruUreWires I serve MacPhisto Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: prettiest mess you've ever seen Posts: 1,135 Local Time: 12:37 AM	i believe that soulmate status can be achieved so long as both people's hearts are willing. __________________

09-09-2002, 02:09 PM	#25
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 04:37 PM	I don't believe in soul mates. I think its just a way to avoid facing the cold hard fact that no one ever understands another person completely. It's purely popular romanticism. Ant. __________________ Razors pain you; Rivers are damp; Acids stain you; And drugs cause cramp. Guns aren't lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might as well live. Dorothy Parker, 'Resumé'

09-10-2002, 05:28 AM	#33
cass Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Australia. Posts: 6,117 Local Time: 02:37 AM	G'day mate I suppose you would have to have a very clear definiton of the term "soul mate" If you then did believe in the idea and it meant there is only one individual who is perfect for you,you would have to be very lucky to meet them. The odds of each of us meeting them would not be that great. Whereas kindred spirits abound. The concept of a soul mate in marriage seems a very chancy thing. Hoping and waiting to find yours for a long term marriage may lead to some disapointment. Dive in anyway, the water's fine. But I think two people, like your best friend, the one who knows so much about you and still loves you,the one you can ring too early in the morning when you have to, the one who'll stay up late and listen when you have to....... you know the one? they are the real mate. MATES best,old , trusted, great,weird, wonderful, faraway, flat, school, bed, room, soul....in all their forms...I mates I can't even recall your original Q. Hmmm, hope that answered...something

09-11-2002, 02:25 PM	#36
Anthony Refugee Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: London, UK Posts: 1,538 Local Time: 04:37 PM	Yes, whenhiphopdrovethebigcars, I do believe that a lot of understanding is possible - I believe that 'essential' understanding is possible, but not complete understanding, simple because most people don't understand themselves anyway. Perhaps I should explain. Two people may love each other and spend an entire lifetime with each other, however, and I absolutely guarantee you, one day one of them will completely suprise the other, and vice versa. It is this element of surprise that proves to the other party that there is an entire universe in that person he or she loves, and because of such a sheer scope - it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to understand and know every single detail about the person. I believe that humans are complicated beings, they contain their own private and personal universes (whether intellectual and emotional) with hundreds of shades of grey to nearly every infinite subject - how can one person EVER hope to understand another entirely? However, I do believe in 'partial' or 'essential' understanding. Humans are indeed able to understand each other, two people who love each other, for instance, may understand and know each other better than any other person in the universe, however, this does not entitle 'complete understanding'. My criticism of romanticism is this image, this imago of a 'soul mate' that two souls are destined to find each other and live as two halves of the same - I don't buy it. Ant. __________________ Razors pain you; Rivers are damp; Acids stain you; And drugs cause cramp. Guns aren't lawful; Nooses give; Gas smells awful; You might as well live. Dorothy Parker, 'Resumé'

09-09-2002, 03:43 PM	#28
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,865 Local Time: 12:37 PM	I don't know. I'd like to believe they exist, because that would lead to such a simplification of matters. Also, it's a lovely idea. However, I fear it's kind of lazy thinking - if we leave it all up to fate to lead us to our soulmate, it's a means of excusing our need to get up off our ass and do something about our lives.

09-10-2002, 02:42 AM	#30
foray Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: full of sound and fury Posts: 3,386 Local Time: 05:37 AM	I hate the word 'soumate' because it's been injected with all this hallmark-ism. I don't believe in fate that brings soulmates together. I believe in kindred spirits, hence why there can be many. foray

09-10-2002, 02:46 AM	#31
Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 03:37 AM	Are they all not essentially the same thing? I dont call anyone a soulmate, and its all good for those who do, but I know there are some people who for whatever reason, are particularly special.

09-12-2002, 01:27 AM	#38
Cowgirl War Child Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 866 Local Time: 02:37 AM	unless they are in fact a 'bosom friend' heeeeh i think gilbert blythe is my soul mate

09-12-2002, 02:35 AM	#39
Angela Harlem Jesus Online Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: a glass castle Posts: 30,163 Local Time: 03:37 AM	hey forte, I didn't mean to single you out with that, your reply made me ask the question though. I'm with those not applying a hallmark philosophy to love and those you love, so I guess I was just musing at what, if any, difference there is between the 2. I think you summed it up though. Gawd, its been years since I read Anne...hehe.

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