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I believe in them. I guess they are soulmates anyway, those people who mean the world to you, those who 'connect' so completely. Make you feel complete, and in turn allow you to give back. I dont know if I agree with that loving yourself first though. Sometimes you find someone who gives you total and unconditional love and that changes you, helps you learn how to love back.
__________________I also dont really think it is limited to one person in a lifetime, nor one at a time. At any one moment, we love many people in our lives. It is not just romantic love, it is all the other kinds as well. Human nature leans toward being 'in love' with one person at a time in most situations, but still loving many others. I also think it can happen over and over. Each experience is unique but is not exclusive. You may find a life partner and have that taken away, but can meet another who is different, yet still connects with you I think. We let our emotions tell us it will never be the same again and maybe sometimes confuse that to mean it wont happen again, but I think it does. It will be a new experience, but a total connection nonetheless. |
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i believe that soulmate status can be achieved so long as both people's hearts are willing.
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Hmm Cowgirl... the spirituality thang now goes on in "The Goal is Soul"... I think the soulmate theme is a NICE one and therefore maybe wouldn´t be honoured enough in FYM... what can I say? Oh, it´s back in FYM. Fine, then. Soulsugar. Brother. Sister. I think there are some ![]() "I have a lover a lover like no other she´s got soul soul soul..." I think you can even have different opinions, but still be soulmates. People change, lives change... f.e. I got a friend, right, he is together with a girl I wouldn´t favor because he has earned a better one, I think, but he is my soulmate, absolutely. Then there is this wonderful ex who has not only introduced me to the U2, but also taught me how to treat women, in some ways. She´s my soulmate, even if we are not able to live together because we are so very different. |
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I don't believe in soul mates.
I think its just a way to avoid facing the cold hard fact that no one ever understands another person completely. It's purely popular romanticism. Ant.
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I agree noone is able to fully understand another person though
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![]() I do think that the idea of soul mates can bring confusion into the idea of love. Is there love because they are soul mates, or in spite of not being soul mates? I believe in the latter. The best one human being can have, is a passion for understanding another's human condition, and being able to extract love from that. Ant.
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I don't know.
I'd like to believe they exist, because that would lead to such a simplification of matters. Also, it's a lovely idea. However, I fear it's kind of lazy thinking - if we leave it all up to fate to lead us to our soulmate, it's a means of excusing our need to get up off our ass and do something about our lives. |
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I hate the word 'soumate' because it's been injected with all this hallmark-ism.
I don't believe in fate that brings soulmates together. I believe in kindred spirits, hence why there can be many. foray |
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Are they all not essentially the same thing? I dont call anyone a soulmate, and its all good for those who do, but I know there are some people who for whatever reason, are particularly special.
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I suppose you would have to have a very clear definiton of the term "soul mate" If you then did believe in the idea and it meant there is only one individual who is perfect for you,you would have to be very lucky to meet them.
The odds of each of us meeting them would not be that great. Whereas kindred spirits abound. The concept of a soul mate in marriage seems a very chancy thing. Hoping and waiting to find yours for a long term marriage may lead to some disapointment. Dive in anyway, the water's fine. But I think two people, like your best friend, the one who knows so much about you and still loves you,the one you can ring too early in the morning when you have to, the one who'll stay up late and listen when you have to....... you know the one? they are the real mate. MATES ![]() best,old , trusted, great,weird, wonderful, faraway, flat, school, bed, room, soul....in all their forms...I ![]() I can't even recall your original Q. Hmmm, hope that answered...something ![]() |
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![]() No, seriously, of course I believe in what I said. Is it really os hard to believe? Do I really look like some hyperactive Romantic? I think its a pretty realistic opinion. Ant.
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But what about children? Don´t you think they are able to understand to a "complete" extent? To simply understand, on another level? Don´t you think grandparents are able to understand their children, because they´ve been through the same? This has nothing to do with romanticism. |
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Yes, whenhiphopdrovethebigcars, I do believe that a lot of understanding is possible - I believe that 'essential' understanding is possible, but not complete understanding, simple because most people don't understand themselves anyway.
Perhaps I should explain. Two people may love each other and spend an entire lifetime with each other, however, and I absolutely guarantee you, one day one of them will completely suprise the other, and vice versa. It is this element of surprise that proves to the other party that there is an entire universe in that person he or she loves, and because of such a sheer scope - it is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE to understand and know every single detail about the person. I believe that humans are complicated beings, they contain their own private and personal universes (whether intellectual and emotional) with hundreds of shades of grey to nearly every infinite subject - how can one person EVER hope to understand another entirely? However, I do believe in 'partial' or 'essential' understanding. Humans are indeed able to understand each other, two people who love each other, for instance, may understand and know each other better than any other person in the universe, however, this does not entitle 'complete understanding'. My criticism of romanticism is this image, this imago of a 'soul mate' that two souls are destined to find each other and live as two halves of the same - I don't buy it. Ant.
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To me, 'soulmate' implies all the fatalistic romanticism that Anthony (see his posts) doesn't buy. And 'kindred spirit' is more realistic because it simply means people who 'click' together in a very special way; nothing to do with fate/destiny at all. For more info on kindred spirits, consult your nearest Anne Of Green Gables volume ![]() foray |
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unless they are in fact a 'bosom friend' heeeeh
i think gilbert blythe is my soul mate |
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hey forte, I didn't mean to single you out with that, your reply made me ask the question though. I'm with those not applying a hallmark philosophy to love and those you love, so I guess I was just musing at what, if any, difference there is between the 2. I think you summed it up though.
Gawd, its been years since I read Anne...hehe. |
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