He's going to make America great again. What more do you need?
2016 US Presidential Election Pt. II
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He's going to make America great again. What more do you need?
deep
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You get it
LuckyNumber7
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Donald Trump might be batshit crazy and very likely isn't actually running for president...
But I gotta say. Lack of details isn't something I would criticize him for. I'd argue that any candidate with lots of details, short of a former Vice President/SoS/administration position in the White House, would be talking out of their ass if they had details.
Granted. All Trump does is talk out of his ass. So, might as well start giving us details.
But I gotta say. Lack of details isn't something I would criticize him for. I'd argue that any candidate with lots of details, short of a former Vice President/SoS/administration position in the White House, would be talking out of their ass if they had details.
Granted. All Trump does is talk out of his ass. So, might as well start giving us details.
Mrs. Garrison
Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS
^ ha good stuff.
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
Trump and Sanders are speaking, in their own way, to and for the people who have been left behind since the dawn of Reaganomics and "trickle down" and the purchasing of our political system by a moneyed oligarchy.
I'm enjoying his trolling of the GOP establishment.
Will be eager to see how far this goes.
I'm enjoying his trolling of the GOP establishment.
Will be eager to see how far this goes.
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
Trump strikes a nerve because GOP voters are fed up with DC leadership mainly cry-baby Boehner and the Turtle McConnell. Boehner may actually get booted as speaker. The voters want more fight from their leaders. Right now Trump is filling that vaccum.
They're not looking for a candidate who can win at policy trivial pursuit. Some envision trump will build and evolve policy over the next year. Others hope the same with Carson. He has that softer talk therapist remedy but is short on policy.
If these two begin to stumble or fade I predict Cruz to rise. He was the most hated republican by the GOP establishment so he has that outsider cred. I know many here think is batshit crazy but he is the most eloquent speaker of the bunch and is well versed in policy.
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They're not looking for a candidate who can win at policy trivial pursuit. Some envision trump will build and evolve policy over the next year. Others hope the same with Carson. He has that softer talk therapist remedy but is short on policy.
If these two begin to stumble or fade I predict Cruz to rise. He was the most hated republican by the GOP establishment so he has that outsider cred. I know many here think is batshit crazy but he is the most eloquent speaker of the bunch and is well versed in policy.
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bobsaget77
Rock n' Roll Doggie
I've been quite impressed by Cruz. He's definetly gone up for me.
1 Paul
2 Cruz/Kasich
3 Trump/Carson
Carson has been shooting up the polls, while Christie has been shooting up Pixie sticks into his blood stream just so he doesn't fall over and die.
I would consider voting for Biden over Christie (impossible scenario) Hope he drops out soon, what a pathetic waste.
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1 Paul
2 Cruz/Kasich
3 Trump/Carson
Carson has been shooting up the polls, while Christie has been shooting up Pixie sticks into his blood stream just so he doesn't fall over and die.
I would consider voting for Biden over Christie (impossible scenario) Hope he drops out soon, what a pathetic waste.
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Mrs. Garrison
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FUCK te6 CRUZ! 
if he were, by some awful mistake or misfortune, to be elected potus, this country can completely go fuck itself.
Then again the rest of the candidates running are potentially nightmare scenarios as well. It's like a who's-who of bad science fiction movies they used to play on tv when i was a kid, late on saturday night. Might have been called the "creature feature" or something like that. So comical that even as a kid, i lol'd.
Rubio's ears are straight out of 'swamp thing'. Huckabee is one of those guys on 'Deliverance'. Christie is Jabba the Hutt. Fiorina has the face only a mother horse could love. Carson, he's probably the guy who supplied Bill Cosby all of those roofies. Ass Juice is, well, Ass Juice. Perry, i realize he is out now, hell, i still shudder to think about him. Rand Paul....nevermind. Jeb! <-Even his campaign logo knows he's not the answer. And Scott Walker....oh boy....he's the robotic next door neighbor who always works out in the yard and waves at every car who drives by...then one day you realize he's just a robot or puppet....his strings are pulled by aliens....his soul was zapped and replaced with twenty billion trogan horses. He is the devil incarnate. The real anti-christ need not apply with this tragic group trying to run the cuntree into ruins.
The Ohio Gov is likely the lone exception.
And of course there is my favorite...TRUMP! I cannot stop watching this guy. Every word is just pure awesomeness, it's like Burger King and Papa John's got together and created a combination whopper-pizza with everything you never wanted but yet you can't not want it. I love it when this guy tells it "like it is", bullies other candidates, other public figures, etc. It's just....oddly....(not refreshing) fun in it's own sick and twisted little way. Yes he is a new breed of candidate in the way he just does what he does and doesn't give a flying fuck. I am sure he would be terrible for this country as POTUS, but at least, damn he sure is fun to watch and all of that stuff.
I don't even know what that says about me, other than, my incredibly small girl parts are no longer anything to be ashamed of. Or, you know, yeah.
if he were, by some awful mistake or misfortune, to be elected potus, this country can completely go fuck itself.
Then again the rest of the candidates running are potentially nightmare scenarios as well. It's like a who's-who of bad science fiction movies they used to play on tv when i was a kid, late on saturday night. Might have been called the "creature feature" or something like that. So comical that even as a kid, i lol'd.
Rubio's ears are straight out of 'swamp thing'. Huckabee is one of those guys on 'Deliverance'. Christie is Jabba the Hutt. Fiorina has the face only a mother horse could love. Carson, he's probably the guy who supplied Bill Cosby all of those roofies. Ass Juice is, well, Ass Juice. Perry, i realize he is out now, hell, i still shudder to think about him. Rand Paul....nevermind. Jeb! <-Even his campaign logo knows he's not the answer. And Scott Walker....oh boy....he's the robotic next door neighbor who always works out in the yard and waves at every car who drives by...then one day you realize he's just a robot or puppet....his strings are pulled by aliens....his soul was zapped and replaced with twenty billion trogan horses. He is the devil incarnate. The real anti-christ need not apply with this tragic group trying to run the cuntree into ruins.
The Ohio Gov is likely the lone exception.
And of course there is my favorite...TRUMP! I cannot stop watching this guy. Every word is just pure awesomeness, it's like Burger King and Papa John's got together and created a combination whopper-pizza with everything you never wanted but yet you can't not want it. I love it when this guy tells it "like it is", bullies other candidates, other public figures, etc. It's just....oddly....(not refreshing) fun in it's own sick and twisted little way. Yes he is a new breed of candidate in the way he just does what he does and doesn't give a flying fuck. I am sure he would be terrible for this country as POTUS, but at least, damn he sure is fun to watch and all of that stuff.
I don't even know what that says about me, other than, my incredibly small girl parts are no longer anything to be ashamed of. Or, you know, yeah.
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
I despise Rand Paul. How did someone with a degree of respectability like Ron Paul spawn such a dipshit sellout?
Of course Kasich, the only one that resembles a human being, is getting overlooked. Maybe if he walked around in clown shoes he'd have a fighting chance.
Of course Kasich, the only one that resembles a human being, is getting overlooked. Maybe if he walked around in clown shoes he'd have a fighting chance.
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Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
What is it you think people despise about the GOP establishment? The decades of debt and war? The inability to stop Obama?
Also, how do you feel about Trump wanting to raise taxes on the wealthy?
How do you see Cruz as an alternative to Trump? What are their commonalities?
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
So when is the DNC finally going to let their candidates debate?
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
October 13.
bono_212
Blue Crack Distributor
Since they don't have to wade through a sea of stupidity, that's a much more reasonable date.
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
They have a quagmire of uncertainty themselves
bono_212
Blue Crack Distributor
That doesn't require months of pointless speculation. What are these debates even doing right now? When you vote are you even going to remember something from 3 months ago or something that happened in the weeks leading up?
All this is right now is prime time television for the news networks.
All this is right now is prime time television for the news networks.
Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
Debates can have huge gaffes or you learn more about another candidate you might like. It is prime time TV. Sports for political pundits. I don't know who I'm going to vote for yet. I like a couple different candidates.
On the dem side I want to see how Bernie, Hillary, O'Malley do.
On the dem side I want to see how Bernie, Hillary, O'Malley do.
LuckyNumber7
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Because Ron Paul ?
No but seriously, I agree. Rand Paul got all the batshit crazy from Ron, but left the integrity at home.
In other news, I've really disliked Bobby Jindal since the whole Duck Dynasty fiasco... but has anyone read his Op-Ed for CNN on Trump? Dude absolutely kills it, from an objective perspective. I didn't know he was capable of such articulation. I was impressed (even though I still strongly disagree with Jindalism).
http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/15/opinions/jindal-debate-donald-trump/
LuckyNumber7
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I find it strange that you'd quote the exact part where I say "from an objective perspective." Almost like, you acknowledged that, but still ignored it.
His criticism and irrational view of the Obama administration is his own assertion of subjectivity. And it doesn't have much to do with the overall point of the article.
Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you can't tip your hat to them. I don't like him. But, did you read the whole thing?
His criticism and irrational view of the Obama administration is his own assertion of subjectivity. And it doesn't have much to do with the overall point of the article.
Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you can't tip your hat to them. I don't like him. But, did you read the whole thing?
I read the whole thing. The only portion of that piece where I might agree that with your "objective perspective" is in his assessment of Trump's character. But the doomsday scenarios he's providing around Trump are just silly politicking and a plea for attention masquerading as taking a stand.
Note how liberalism is defined as inherently bad (if not downright evil), Obama's incompetence is stated as if it is absolute fact so plain it doesn't even require the faintest hint of actual evidence, and liberals are implicitly equated with gun fearing, God-hating weaklings who are destroying this country. That's not objective perspective. That's fear mongering, of perhaps a slightly less obtuse form than Trump employs, but fear-mongering all the same.
LuckyNumber7
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Well, I chose to focus mainly on the heart of the article. The abstract. And I think he's bringing about points to republicans that others cannot about Trump. Of course, he's capitalizing on the opportunity to grab attention... but from his republican perspective, within his own people and the republican base... he hit the nail on the head. It might be a cry for attention, but it deserves to be an effective one amongst republicans.
deep
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because I don't write off Trump and his followers, some people in here think I am all in for him. Truth is I will probably end up voting with the majority of the posters in this forum, which I have in the last several Presidential elections. I write what I think about these election processes, what I believe motivates people, what I think will likely happen next, etc. At election time I vote pragmatically for the candidate that is best overall for the country.
ok, all that said, I just wanted to say I took the time to read that linked article, my only take away,
is given a choice between Jidal and Trump, I would choose Trump.
It is total asshat, jerk bag, politicians like Jindal that are responsible for the rise of Trump
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Oregoropa
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
Here is an off-topic question that parallels Trump vs Gop establishment. Do you think the Democratic establishment will do whatever it takes to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination?
The democrat primary is different in that Super-delegates get leverage in picking the nomination. I would think they would side more with Clinton or Biden.
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The democrat primary is different in that Super-delegates get leverage in picking the nomination. I would think they would side more with Clinton or Biden.
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BVS
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Here's the issue with candidates like Trump and Sanders; they could both get the majority of theirs base's support, BUT candidates like this will absolutely motivate those that oppose their views to get out of their seats. So if Trump or Sanders went up against a mainstream candidate they are gifting the presidency to the other side.
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deep
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of all the nominees
there are only 2 Sanders has a slim chance of beating
they are Hillary and Biden, if he gets past them, he would lose to any in the GOP that get the nom, Trump would beat him in a land slide.
If Biden gets the nomination, he is a sure loser.
party insiders, can not always stop a disaster nomination i.e. Goldwater in 64
McGovern in 72
Sanders falls in the category of Goldwater or McGovern as a sure loser
Trump is not in that category.
there are only 2 Sanders has a slim chance of beating
they are Hillary and Biden, if he gets past them, he would lose to any in the GOP that get the nom, Trump would beat him in a land slide.
If Biden gets the nomination, he is a sure loser.
party insiders, can not always stop a disaster nomination i.e. Goldwater in 64
McGovern in 72
Sanders falls in the category of Goldwater or McGovern as a sure loser
Trump is not in that category.
I did read the whole thing and I didn't find it particularly objective - to me it is nothing I haven't read a hundred times before. Now maybe you can say that he's standing alone in the GOP field in being willing to put pen to paper but generally speaking it's just a pretty histrionic article.
As much as I like Bernie Sanders on a personal level I have a hard time seeing how he pulls off beating Hillary in the primaries. Yes, he has a substantial lead in Iowa and New Hampshire, but those are both states with primaries basically custom made for candidates like him. Once you get to the bigger states he will get trounced by the Clinton machine. And no, I'm not at all a Hillary fan, but think that she'll be the nominee in the end.
bobsaget77
Rock n' Roll Doggie
I wouldn't underestimate Biden.
He can connect to people on a personal level, similar to the way Sanders does. But is much more close to the left-center than Sanders. I think Biden is actually a generally likeable guy.
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He can connect to people on a personal level, similar to the way Sanders does. But is much more close to the left-center than Sanders. I think Biden is actually a generally likeable guy.
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LuckyNumber7
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I guess the difference is that I chose to read it not as though Jindal was even the writer. It's not until the personal plug where I think it's hogwash. But up until then, I don't think it's just the same-old. I particularly see it as a breakdown in words that most politicians fail to achieve. The true politician is someone like Ted Cruz, who is kissing Trump's ass at every second he gets. Ted Cruz is why Trump exists. Clowns. Which, Jindal normally is, but if this was PTI I'd be giving him some points
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