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Old 06-11-2007, 03:43 PM   #81
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the jury didnt believe her and acquitted him.
so jail time should be influenced on charges which one has been found "not guilty"
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I found this through Google, I didn't read the whole thread when this came up again today. I didn't recall that he had been accused of rape, but that can't be used against him as far as this instance goes.

The athlete stuff really has nothing to do with it though, I would have to agree with that. Being an athlete doesn't make you immune to charges of indecent behavior and is not any automatic indicator of upstanding character-that being a general statement and not referring to this specific case.

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If 5 or 6 men having sex with her isnt gang rape, I dont know what is. He should have been convicted of that.
It's not gang rape if she consents. It may not be everyone's idea of a good time, but for some people having sex with 5 or 6 guys is a good time.
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BVS, the girl says she was drunk. Consent is an impossibility for her. In court she says that she was saying "no."
If 5 or 6 men having sex with her isnt gang rape, I dont know what is. He should have been convicted of that.
Well intoxication is definately a gray area. But the jury never heard a no on the video tape. The stories I've read it was just him and her on tape...

Regardless he wasn't convicted, therefore it shouldn't influence any opinions on his current sentence.
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It's not gang rape if she consents.
Correct, but the question is whether or not she did.

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It may not be everyone's idea of a good time, but for some people having sex with 5 or 6 guys is a good time.
I suppose (though weird) this is true.
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Correct, but the question is whether or not she did.
Has that question not been answered by the jury?
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Has that question not been answered by the jury?
yes,

but you are forgetting

he is black
and the girl was white

what if it was your sister?
how would you feel, then?
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So the other men pled guilty to the gang rape. He chose to go to trial. The jury convicted him of a lesser charge and now he's free. I'm confused

I don't see how he deserves sympathy.
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So the other men pled guilty to the gang rape. He chose to go to trial. The jury convicted him of a lesser charge and now he's free. I'm confused

Where did you find that?
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http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metr...611wilson.html

Wilson was originally charged with raping a 17-year-old at a party on New Year's Eve of 2003, but he was acquitted. He was ultimately found guilty of aggravated child molestation involving the 15-year-old girl. Four other male youths at the party pleaded guilty to child molestation of the 15-year-old and sexual battery of the 17-year-old. A fifth pleaded guilty to false imprisonment.
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I guess I'm wondering what happened in the jury room. Jury's often make compromises in reaching a verdict. Due to sentencing guidelines is it possible that they found him guilty of this charge as a compromise. They seemed to think he deserved a 10 year sentence.

I think it's misleading to say this is just about consensual oral sex.
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I guess I'm wondering what happened in the jury room. Jury's often make compromises in reaching a verdict. Due to sentencing guidelines is it possible that they found him guilty of this charge as a compromise. They seemed to think he deserved a 10 year sentence.

I think it's misleading to say this is just about consensual oral sex.
First of all no one pleaded to rape, they pleaded to battery. They all got the molestation or statuatory convictions because the one girl was a minor, that charge is automatic, I can't see how that's a compromise. The jury found that the other wasn't rape.

The big WTF, is the fact that there can be a 10 year sentence for statuatory rape, that seems ridiculous. So what is misleading?
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I guess I'm wondering what happened in the jury room. Jury's often make compromises in reaching a verdict. Due to sentencing guidelines is it possible that they found him guilty of this charge as a compromise. They seemed to think he deserved a 10 year sentence.

I think it's misleading to say this is just about consensual oral sex.
The jury did not know about the 10 year mandatory sentence until after they had reached their verdict. And they have spoken out about how unfair they feel the sentence was.
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Didn't we just discuss this in the "dribbling vomit" thread? The 17 year old gangbang girl was drunk, therefore she can't give consent...hence rape. For whatever reason he got off on that charge, but was found guilty of the lesser one, the one involving the 15 year old (maybe the jury felt some sympathy for him). The other 5 guys copped out, this guy rolled the dice & went to trial. And lost.

And everybody feels sorry for him.
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The 17 year old gangbang girl was drunk, therefore she can't give consent...hence rape.
How drunk was she? How are you sure she was drunk?

Obviously the jury didn't think so
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I meant misleading thinking this was about consensual oral sex between a teenage couple. I'm in favor of changing the statutory rape laws or at least allowing discretion when used. He took part in something much worse that night.

After reading more details of what happened that night i have a hard time thinking of him as a victim as he has been portrayed so often by the media.

When I said pled to the rape I meant the original charge was rape and they pled to the lesser.
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He took part in something much worse that night.

In your opinion though, not in the eyes of the law.
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How drunk was she? How are you sure she was drunk?

Obviously the jury didn't think so
BVS I saw a piece on ESPN about this case, and I forget if they actually interviewed member(s) of the jury or just had quotes from them, but I distinctly recall that they found him guilty of the statutory rape charge as a compromise. I don't recall if they were divided on whether or not the gang rape actually happened, or if they assumed he'd do less time with a conviction for statutory rape and so chose to convict him on that charge. Then they realized the conviction carried that 10-year sentence.

Do you honestly think he was innocent of the gang rape charges? Doesn't the fact that the other guys copped out raise questions? I realize the jury cleared him on that one so legally he's 100% innocent, but if we're speaking in absolutes then conversely he committed a crime that carries a 10 year term, he ought to do the 10.
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Do you honestly think he was innocent of the gang rape charges? Doesn't the fact that the other guys copped out raise questions?
No, I've never fell into that type of thinking. I've seen enough to know people will do a lot of things out of desperation especially when they are young and naive. THERE IS A LOT OF GRAY IN THIS CASE. When there is a lot of gray pleas are often the way to go, especially if you can't afford a good lawyer and you don't want your name dragged through the mudd.

The jury saw videotape, why couldn't they find it rape?

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I realize the jury cleared him on that one so legally he's 100% innocent, but if we're speaking in absolutes then conversely he committed a crime that carries a 10 year term, he ought to do the 10.
Wrong. The question isn't now if he committed a crime or not, it's if that crime should be punishable by 10 years? Do you realize how many of us in interference would have probably been guilty of this crime at one time or another? I know we didn't all wait till the age of consent(18 in my state), and I know many probably had boyfriends or girlfriend's who may have been a few months younger at that time. I would have had fallen in to that category for 6 months, if my girlfriend's parents didn't like me for any reason I'd been screwed...
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