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Arenas are a.o.k. with me 22 27.50%
Ditch the heart, bring back the lemons and the giants TVs! 20 25.00%
Like a Rolling Stone... Stadiums, Arenas and Clubs on the same tour 38 47.50%
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Old 12-04-2002, 08:27 PM   #1
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U2's Next Tour: Stay Small or Go Big

So how about it folks? After the success of All That You Can't Leave Behind, The Elevation Tour, Slane, The Super Bowl... should U2 stay with their small intimate (if 20,000 screaming people is really intimate) arena tours, or head back out to the football stadiums? As much as I loved Elevation, part of me yearned for the good ol' days of endzone sized television sets, flying trabants, and motorized lemon-mobiles. So how about it? Stay in arenas? Go back to stadiums? Or pull a rolling stone and do both!

Lemme know what'cha think...
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Old 12-04-2002, 09:13 PM   #2
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The demand to see U2 in Europe is enormous, and sufficient to see them play in big stadiums. In markets like Holland, Scandinavia, UK, Ireland, France or Italy, they can fill a 50,000 seat stadium in a few hours.

The problem is US/Canada market. Sold out 2 o 3 stadiums in cities like Chicago, Philadelphia Boston, LA or NY isn't a problem for U2. But sold out big stadiums in other markets/cities like Kansas, Portland, Seattle is a more difficult task for U2 ( and even RS, Pink Floyd and Bruce ). So, in my opinion, the best option is a mix arenas/stadiums in US and Europe respectively.


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I don't care.
I just want to see them again.
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I say keep U2 in the arenas, not the stadiums. I'm shelling out my hard earned cash to see U2 and I'd like to actually SEE U2!. Stadiums were cool years ago when ticket prices didn't fuck us in the ass. Now we get fucked. I wanna be able to see Bono a little better. A regular schmo like me doesn't have the stroke to get awesome U2 seats. I gotta settle for mediocre seats. In an arena, that's fine. In a stadium, though, that sucks ass.
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Arena's all the way!! While ZooTV and Popmart look so awesome ( I did not get the pleasure of attending them, but I did see them on the Joshua Tree tour in a stadium) I love the closeness in the arena. I cant describe how it felt to be at the tip of the heart once and in the heart another time. It was just so amazing to be so close to them, instead of looking at ants on a stage.
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There are probably ten cities in the US where U2 could fill stadiums. The Stones aren't even selling out stadiums on this current tour. (hmmmm....perhaps the $300 tickets have something to do with it). I'm sure that if U2 did a Joshua Tree style tour in the US with stadiums in the big cities and arenas in the smaller ones, it'd do well, as long as the prices weren't terribly high. Which let's admit.......they're not gonna get lowered. U2 sold out every single concert, even with those outrageous prices. Why wouldn't they do it again?

I love the closeness of an arena. Stadium shows in America just don't seem the same as they are in Europe and elsewhere. In Europe, U2 should do stadiums....they'll sell out, easily. In the US, I think they should stick with arenas. My advice to them is to not bite off more than they can chew, aka Popmart. It'd be better press if they could say they sold out 2 arenas in Denver than to say they didn't sell out 1 stadium in the same city. (Contrasting Elevation to Popmart).
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I'd prefer an arena since it would allow me to get a better view esp when it would be the first time I saw them live after almost 20 years waiting.

Yeah 20 years - screams at the thought

However in view of this anything would do!
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Well, I've only seen them live once on Elevation tour and was immediately spoiled by the closeness of the arena show. I can't say I care much for props, either.
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I really liked the intimacy on the Elevation tour. So small places are fine by me.


On the other hand I agree with Boomchaa - I just want to see them again (and be right in the front row )
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I think the Stones had a really good concept with the multiple-type shows for different cities. Economically, it totally makes sense.

Now, if I can just be lucky enough to score those "intimate club" tickets......
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I would like to see some stadium shows on the next tour because believe it or not, there will be more lower priced tickets in a stadium compared to an arena because the available supply of seats is greater. Actual demand for each seat will be less than in a much smaller arena driving the price down. For example you will see triple or more 45$ seats in a stadium compared to the arena. The higher priced tickets will make up a smaller percentage of the total.

I actually think U2 could go back to the Stadiums completely in the USA, at least at the time being. But the prices have to be done correctly to sell out. A base price or single price of 60$ would be enough I feel to sellout or at least fill up most markets that did not do that well on POPMART with the renewed popularity of the band with ATYCLB. I'm of course talking about the United States. Every ticket at the 45$ level sold out quickly on the Elevation tour. So did the 130$ tickets of which there was a smaller percentage. The slower ones to sell were the 85$ seats especially the ones behind the stage. Remember in the Stadiums, there is no behind the stage seating or obstructed view seating like in the Arena's.

Also remember some places in Europe were weak on the POPMART tour. All the 5 German POPMART Stadium dates had less than 40,000 people and 3 had less than 30,000. One show had only 18,500. So Germany is one place where U2 would have to be careful in Europe if attempting to play stadiums.
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I voted for arenas though

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The Stones' idea is probably the best 'cause let's face it... they could put out an album of Barry Manilow covers, and they'd still be able to sell out stadiums in New York, Boston, LA & Chicago for at least two shows. If Pop had the kind of success that ATYCLB did, I think PopMart would have sold out across the board. Pop was getting mixed reviews, keeping the sales by the fairweather U2 fans down, add that with the lack of rehearsal time leading to sloppy first outings on PopMart... it was just a recipie for disaster. I guess after the fact that they managed to get a song like Lemon or Numb on the radio, they figured they could just throw an album out and show up for the gig, and the people will come. And in reality, they did... the show was the second highest attended and grossing tour of the year, just behind the Stones, and comming in second to the Stones is nothing to be ashamed of.

So if the next record's happening the way ATYCLB was, they could probably do a full out stadium tour. Even if the album's a little below what ATYCLB did, they could still do the Stones' Stadium-Arena-Club deal with no problem, just so long that they don't release the first single with a video of them dressed as the Village People... ugh.

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The demand to see U2 in Europe is enormous, and sufficient to see them play in big stadiums. In markets like Holland, Scandinavia, UK, Ireland, France or Italy, they can fill a 50,000 seat stadium in a few hours.

The problem is US/Canada market. Sold out 2 o 3 stadiums in cities like Chicago, Philadelphia Boston, LA or NY isn't a problem for U2. But sold out big stadiums in other markets/cities like Kansas, Portland, Seattle is a more difficult task for U2 ( and even RS, Pink Floyd and Bruce )
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By the way, I voted for a return of the giant T.V.'s and lemons! I wasn't there for Popmart and Zoo TV so I want to get a taste of some of the explosive U2 action.
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#3...because then everybody would be happy, right?

If my opinion was the only one to take into account ( Riiiight, Jen!), I would say play large arenas with chairs on the floor...but I don't think they'd necessarily have to go over-the-top with special effects like Zootv and Popmart. But I would LOVE to see them in a small club or something. That would be nifty!
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I think doing what the Stones are doing is a great idea. In cities like Chicago, Boston and NY they could do a stadium show, a few nights at an arena and maybe a club show. It gives everyone the oppurtunity to see them and you can choose what kind of show you want to see. This was the idea behind the Joshua Tree tour 2nd and 3rd legs where they would generally play both an arena show and a stadium show in the major markets. (IE Boston in 1987, two nights at the Boston Garden, one night at Foxboro Stadium). I remember an interview with Adam in 1987 and that is what he said their intention was. For those of us going to multliple shows, this is even better because you can see two maybe three (if clubs/theaters were played and you actually could get tickets) different types of a concert on the same tour. As StingII pointed out though, the pricing has to be right for stadiums for that to be successful in N. America.

I think Europe on the next tour is going to be stadiums/fields/parks for the most part. Those were the type of places they were tentatively booking for the cancelled 2002 Euro summer tour. Demand for U2 in most markets in Europe is huge, so it wouldnt be a problem. The thing with Germany could be solved by only playing 1 or 2 shows there in only a major city. They just played to many shows in Germany for Popmart. Weak album (sales wise and in the eyes of the gen. public) and they oversaturated the market.

I have said this before. Everyone says what a bust Popmart was because it didnt sellout. Neither did the outdoor Zoo tour. I saw Zoo Outside Broadcast in Detroit and almost the entire upper deck was empty. While alot of shows did sellout on Zoo (there were alot on Popmart also in the big markets), there were alot of shows that had 3/4 to 1/2 capacity. So stadiums are kind of hit and miss depending on where they are playing.
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Some shows didn't sold out during the Outside Broadcast leg of ZooTV, but SOME, and the major part was in cities like Birmingham, El Paso or Columbia. The rest was Sold Out or close. With 42 shows in the outdoor phase of ZooTV, and additional 32 shows in the indoor phase, ZooTV sold more than 2,4 million tickets in US in only one year!!

In contrast, PopMart sold 1,7 million tickets in US! Additional shows was originally planned in Los Angeles ( second show at Memorial Coliseum ), Philadelphia ( Franklin Field ) and third in Boston ( Foxboro Stadium ) and no-one was possible. The problem with PopMart is that U2/Principle Management expected the same demand that was in 1992.

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You are wrong about the 3rd Foxboro show. It didnt take place because it would have been the 4th of July (national holiday here) and they couldnt get the police/security to do the event because they would be at holiday events. Otherwise that show would have happened and probebly would have soldout or been a near sellout.

Popmart did sellout in the major markets. They soldout two nights at Giants stadium and the 3rd was 1/2 to 2/3rds full. They only played 2 shows in the same venue on Zoo. U2 oversaturated the market on Popmart, that was the problem. Also, I consider Detroit a major market, and as I said, the entire upper deck was pretty much empty for Zoo Outside(actually in the Dome). Also, in Chicago for Zoo they soldout every show but they played a much smaller venue. They sold around 88000 tickets for Zoo Outside in Chicago. For Popmart they sold out two nights at a venue twice the size of the Zoo venue and played to a 2/3 full stadium the 3rd night. Selling approximagely 120000 tickets for Popmart in Chicago. Also, in your figures they are exagerrated because you include the indoor leg of Zoo TV. U2 only played approximately 40 shows in the U.S. on Popmart. They played way more on Zoo, so obviously they are going to sell more tickets an gross more if you base it on those figures. If you go on JUST the stadium shows for both. Zoo and Popmart are much closer in sales and gross. U2 could have easily soldout arenas on Popmart if they had played any arena shows.

So say what you will, Zoo was more successful as far as tickets sold, but not alot more successful IMO. I actually enjoyed Popmart more myself anyway. I hate it when people buy into the media hype and think Popmart was this huge failure. At the time it was the 3rd highest grossing tour ever ahead of the Zoo tour.
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Ticket prices and the fact that the play in SouthAmerica ( 450,000 tickets sold!!! ) made possible the $171million gross figure for PopMart. It's clear that the ticket demand was superior in 1992-93 than 1997-98.

I don't know the problem with the third Foxboro show, thanks!! In 1992 U2 sold out 3 nights in Boston, with 148,736 tickets sold. I agree, probably they can fill a thrid night in 1997! LA and Philadelphia was another story...

But I don't agree with your comments about NY-area shows in 1992!! U2 sold out 2 nights at Giant's Stadium ( the first night in 23 minutes! ) and another 2 at Yankee Stadium in NY!!

The market that was a CLEAR succes in 1997 was CANADA. Probably, the third major market for U2, behind Ireland and Italy! ( and Holland in 4th position ).

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