Michael Moore Post-Disaster Journal #4 (Lost in America, Closer to Home)

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Lost in America, Closer to Home

9/19/01

Dear Friends,

We have made it to Columbus, Ohio for the night and are staying just a couple of blocks from the state capitol building where Governor Rhodes gave the order on May 4, 1970, to send the National Guard to Kent State. There they opened fire on hundreds of unarmed students, killing four and wounding many others.

Few dared to call it a terrorist act committed by the state of Ohio? but, there I go again. Off message! Stay focused on the main themes, Mike: ?AMERICA UNITED!? ?SMOKE ?EM OUTTA THEIR HOLES, HUNT ?EM DOWN, AND GIT ?EM!? ?THE SLEEPING GIANT HAS BEEN AROUSED!? and ?REMEMBER THE POSTER IN THE OLD WEST: ?WANTED: DEAD OR ALIVE!??

I have a question to all the war hawks out there: When you listen and look at our Commander-in-Chief, do you really think THIS is the guy who is going to kick some major league ass? I?m just asking all you conservative drum beaters out there -- man, you must be *embarrassed* that this is the best we have to offer.

I know we are all supposed to be supportive of Mr. Bush, at the moment, but has it dawned on anyone that he is not, in fact, the ?president?? I hate to bring up a thorny subject, but this is the man who *lost* the election. He got the *least* number of votes between the two major party candidates. His brother oversaw a rigged vote in Florida.

I am so, so sorry to bring this up now, but the tragedy of the past week is EXACTLY the kind of horrible circumstance many Americans feared we?d find ourselves in -- A NATIONAL CRISIS UNDER A LEADER WHO IS NOT THERE BY THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE. It is a tribute to the goodwill of the American public that they have rallied behind George W. Bush as best they can, ?cause he and his fake flight jacket is all we got right now in the Oval Office.

Someone needs to get in charge and propose some real solutions to bringing the perpetrators to justice and preventing this -- as best as possible -- from happening again. Instead, what we have is Bush speaking like a wind-up doll, mouthing a bunch of nonsense clich?s, repeating them over and over and over.

But occasionally his batteries run out -- and he goes off on some unintelligible tangent. You can see his handlers desperately trying to cut him off and whisk him away. You watch in awe and you ask the question that none of us even wants to contemplate right now, and that no one will dare to ask, so I might as well take the hit and be the one: THIS is the Commander-in-Chief of the most powerful country on earth? Who amongst you feels secure tonight? What enemy is going to be afraid of *this* guy?

Bush keeps calling what we are in ?a war.? Has anyone told him that the more he keeps using this word, the more HE puts US in jeopardy? A ?war? implies that two sides are participating in an action to kill as many of the other side as possible. Bush and the pundits use the word like it?s a one-sided deal, like we?re going to be the only ones doing the bombing. War means we bomb them, then they bomb us. That?s what war is, you idiots. We strafe Afghanistan, then the terrorists drop a canister of chemical weapons in the New York subway. We send in a group of commandos and wipe out a camp of Muslims, they take out the Sears Tower.

All of you who are screaming for war: are you prepared to pay the price, to take thousands of more casualties? Because, my big, macho-talking friends, THAT is what this kind of war would be like. America is a complex and open society with a massive and intricate infrastructure that is fragile and vulnerable and susceptible to easy attack and disruption. IT CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN WITH A BOXCUTTER. Let me repeat that:

IT CAN BE BROUGHT DOWN -- IT CAN BE BROUGHT TO A TOTAL STANDSTILL -- BY A BOXCUTTER!

Nearly a week with no stock market, no commercial television, no professional sports, three days with no planes in the air (for the first time since 1911), no airports open, the country essentially shut down. A week later and the phone lines still don?t all work. A boxcutter, folks! Do not be misled into thinking he with the biggest missile is going to win this ?war.?

We will never be able to protect all of us from this kind of terrorism. Back and forth, more buildings bombed, more planes downed, more innocent American lives lost. When does this end? After we have killed every terrorist? When exactly is THAT scheduled to happen? Or is it just when we kill Osama bin Laden, *then* we win the war? Are you serious? We couldn?t even assassinate Hitler during a massive World War that lasted 6 years!

Bush now says this is ?a war against the evil people in the world.? Oh, really? THAT war! Yeah, we should be able to defeat ?evil,? oh, sometime in the next millennium or two. Get a grip. ?War? is not going to get the justice we demand or make us more safe. You know it and I know it. There is a different way to go, and I will lay it out in a later letter, but to simplify it for now and put it in a nutshell, it goes like this:

One billion people on this planet have no clean drinking water. Two billion have no electricity. Three billion have never made a phone call from their home. We have the money and the people-power to alter ALL of this. We also have the moral imperative to stop supporting repressive regimes and corporations who exploit these people.

When we decide to help improve these billions of people?s lives, we will pull the rug out from under the terrorists who need those they send to their deaths to be poor and exploited and angry at us. The multi-millionaire bin Laden isn?t going to give up HIS life!

When all the people in the Middle East have food on the table, a decent home, a good job, and democratic control over their own lives, who among them is going to be convinced to sacrifice his life by crashing himself into a tall office building?

Sure, there will always be those who go insane and kill without reason. The British saw that in a Dunblane schoolyard, we saw it in Oklahoma City. There will always be religious fanatics willing to kill and be killed because they believe God has so ordered them. Ask the families of the assassinated women?s clinics? doctors in Buffalo and Florida about those willing to commit evil in the name of religion in America.

There IS a way to protect us from further attack, to lift the rest of the world out of its misery, but it requires some smarts and some guts, two things in short supply in Washington these days.

After arriving in Columbus, Kathleen and I met up with one of our best friends from Flint, Al Hirvela. Al teaches at Ohio State. He was just the shot in the arm I needed this week. He, Kathleen, I and a bunch of others all used to put out an alternative newspaper in Flint many years ago and we miss being around each other in times like these. We miss being able to talk and try to figure out what it all means -- and what we should be doing about it. Al is a Quaker and a pacifist, and sitting in the Big Boy last night talking to him was the kind of grounding experience I needed after four days on the road.

My publisher called two nights ago to ask where I might end up for the evening, as my editor wanted to ship me a copy of my new book, just off the press. This was bittersweet news -- I have dedicated this book to Al, and to think that I would be there when he opened it up and saw his name on that dedication page was indeed a lucky privilege, a cool moment I never expected to have.

But the book publisher also gave me this news: They are ?delaying? the release of my book due to the events of the past week. No doubt, this book is going to ruffle some feathers, and in light of the attack in New York, the book suddenly gave everyone connected to it (including me) the heebie-jeebies. What a feeling to have in a free country!

In a way, though, I was relieved with their decision -- I have absolutely ZERO interest in going out on a book tour this week. Even though I have much I would like to say -- opinions and thoughts that are NOT being heard in the media right now -- I just can?t go out there and have my name attached to something that is ?on sale? (I have asked our webmaster to remove anything from our site that leads one to purchase any of my films, TV shows or books).

I am very proud of this book, and I hoped it would stimulate a lot of discussion on various topics. I don?t know now when it will come out -- maybe next month, maybe next year. In the meantime, I will continue to communicate on the Web and speak to any media outlet that will listen to -- and report uncensored -- what I have to say about the tragic situation in which we are now immersed.

I can?t believe all the incredible letters you are sending me -- over 41,000 letters in the last week. I am so sorry I cannot respond to each of you. I have scrolled down through the subject headings and read a few of the letters and it is clear I am not alone in my sadness over this tragedy or in the anger I have for what is being proposed by our leaders. I will print these letters and let our elected officials see what the REST of America is thinking about the idea of ?war.?

We are now driving across Ohio toward West Virginia and Pennsylvania. On the radio, NPR is running a history report on Osama bin Laden. We are told that he comes from a wealthy family and that they are the main builders for the Saudi royal family. They?ve remodeled palaces and built holy sites. Their construction projects are everywhere. Kathleen turns to me, and with one word sums up the kind of low-life we are talking about here.

?Contractors,? she says. ?Bin Laden is a contractor.? Indeed, it all made sense.

Someone at NPR tracked me down on the road and asked me to stop by the nearest NPR station and read my letters over the air. I agreed, but I got choked up reading them into the microphone. I wonder if they will even broadcast them. I hope they do, as I felt that my reading of them conveyed more of a real and human sense of what I am trying to say and what I am seeing on this drive across America.

Later in the evening, my letters go out on an NPR program called ?The Connection? from WBUR in Boston. More mail pours in. On the Pennsylvania Turnpike we pass through nearby Shanksville, PA, where the United flight went down. The girl at the newsstand counter in the rest stop says it was ?just three miles down the road.? Close enough for all of them to hear it crash. Her voice shakes as she tells me this. A car parked in front of the door has a temporary ?Cemetery Pass? sitting on its dash.

I think of Barbara Olson, the conservative commentator and wife of the man who argued Bush?s case for installation in front of the courts last year. I have been on ?Politically Incorrect? with her on a couple of occasions. She was always a warm and friendly person. She was on that plane, on her way to do that show.

Monday night, the program went on, and Bill Maher left a chair on the stage empty, in her honor. I agreed with her on nothing, and I cried when I saw that empty chair. She was a human being who deserved to live. She was an American who loved her country. Maybe I should have gotten to know her better, instead of just ignoring her because of her politics. She was a year younger than me?

We will make it home to New York, sometime tonight?

Yours,

Michael Moore
mmflint@aol.com www.michaelmoore.com
 
I pray, Danaspano, that you don't actually subscribe to this shit.

And "shit" is a nice word for it. "Dangerous, delusional, anti-American shit" probably fits the bill a lot better.

Let's look at the article in a bit more detail:


Again, he considers the United States to be as evil as the terrorists. He equates the Kent State tragedy with the terrorist attack. He sees no difference between National Guardsmen losing control, letting emotions run high, and accidentally killing four people and terrorists coldly planning the mass murder of 5,000 people (and no doubt hoping for tens of thousands of deaths).

He's a fucking idiot if he can't see the difference. And if you agree with him on this...

His socialist (boderline Communist) ideologies have so skewed his vision that he can't see that George W. Bush is a man to be reckoned with. He's forgotten that Bush is responsible for the execution of 2 Texan murders EACH MONTH. He misses the forest because he doesn't like the color of the trees.

(And he thinks Gore would be better?)

He STILL thinks that Bush somehow stole the election from Gore. There have been how many recounts? Most if not all of them STILL show that Bush had more Florida ballots than Gore.

Then there's this comment:

War means we bomb them, then they bomb us. That?s what war is, you idiots. We strafe Afghanistan, then the terrorists drop a canister of chemical weapons in the New York subway.

Well, yeah, maybe. But it's a DAMN SURE better thing than this: We do nothing, they attack us again.

He's delusional if he thinks that 9/11 was the one and only attack. We ARE AT WAR.

He then ignores the case studies of American history and suggests that this is a war we can't win; that we can not only be sucker-punched by a terrorist attack, that we can be knocked cold; that finding and destroying the organizations that can and will strike again (and they are organized) is not only hard, but impossible.

Believe Michael Moore, and you would think we are a fragile egg waiting to be smashed.

Look at history, and it's clear that we are STRONG. Ask the British. Ask the Germans and the Japanes. Ask the Soviet Union.

(I've read how the U.S. was split during the Cold War between those who thought we can maintain parity and those who thought we would lose. ONLY REAGAN thought we could win. Everyone disbelieved him, but REAGAN WAS RIGHT. So too is Bush.)

The only thing he suggests we do is ensure that we make sure the world has clean water, plenty of food, etc.

Does he not know why the terrorists hate us?We are hated because we are CAPABLE of helping the rest of the world, because the solutions (Moore suggests "democratic control"; I further suggest more capitalism worldwide) are WESTERN SOLUTIONS.


Again, dangerous, delusional, anti-American SHIT.

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- Achtung Bubba

September, streets capsizing,
Spilling over, down the drain


"The Taliban sound ferocious, but that is because the most dangerous place in the world in the next few weeks will be Kabul not Manhattan."
--Victor Davis Hanson
 
This Michael Moore is so full of crap, his eyeballs are brown.
 
As a brown-eyed person, I take offense to that!
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Originally posted by Diemen:
As a brown-eyed person, I take offense to that!
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oooops, sorry. I meant the part that supposed to be white...

I've got brown eyes, also...the part that's not supposed to b white!
 
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
[oooops, sorry. I meant the part that supposed to be white...
racist

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Salome
Shake it, shake it, shake it
 
"Again, dangerous, delusional, anti-American SHIT."

If anything, Bubba, that might be too kind.
 
Is this the same Michael Moore that produced Roger and Me in the 80's? The guy who made me laugh in his short lived TV news show featuring segments like "Pets on Prozac" and "My day with Doctor Kavorkian"?

This whole Journal is...well....Crapola! And sad!
 
It is one thing to be arrogant, but it is another to be blind and claim you can see. I completely agree with the statements I forwarded to this listserve, but then again, I seem to be more subjective than those of you who have replied thus far.
I could retaliate with a long...make that a very long response, but I have little confidence that you would even listen. The problem with your ideology is that you seem to have blind faith in whatever the media, U.S. government and conservative pundits proclaim to be the truth.
I consider myself an independent thinker. I've never professed to support any political party other than a brief stint in 2000 with the Green Party. You seem to berate Moore whenever he criticizes Bush and his method of election or his wimpish qualities. These aren't to say that Moore, myself or any other likeminded individuals are pro-Democrat. In my opinion, they're all a bunch of lying, cheating, egomaniacs that should be tarred and feathered. Gore would have made the same speech Bush did, except perhaps with a larger vocabulary.
That aside, Auchtung Bubba and the rest of you "patriotic Americans", should embrace your opponents views before you lash out against them, because without seeing both sides of the issue you'll never have a fully informed opinion.
 
Well, what a surprise:

--The conservatives hate Michael Moore. Well, they've always hated Michael Moore, nothing has changed here.

--The liberals are eerily quiet regarding Michael Moore here , but might agree with him.

I, myself, am indifferent. I have given up that believing anything about whether this war is right or not really amounts to nothing. The Bush Administration will do what it wants, and what I believe amounts to nothing. Period.

But don't let patriotism close your mind to all criticism. Mr. Moore here might be off in many points (to you), but blind following is bad. As much as you hate him, criticism of all angles are necessary for a balanced society. Even I, the more leftist melon, have often modified my views upon hysterically conservative criticism. It may mean a changing of my views or a strengthening of specific views. Either way, I'd be stupid without opponents.

Melon

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How long must we sing this song?!
 
Admittedly, Moore is a bit extreme in his latest letter. However, to call him an "anti-American" is rather banal. Achtung Bubba, in your reply, you mock Moore's statements about democracy and capitalism - but those are the very political beliefs that constitute America! Moore's comments are FAR more American than the antagonistic and pervertedly patriotic diatribes I have read in this thread.

That said, there certainly are some questionable points in Moore's letter.
For example, I readily agree that comparing the planned murder of thousands of innocent people to the frightened, over-zealous actions of several policemen is extreme. Nonetheless, Moore's basic point stands. It is a point he's made in all of his letters - namely that America is guilty of its own form of terrorism in many other parts of the world, including within our own society. Before we attack others, should we not examine our own actions?

Still, my oscillating viewpoints on Moore are best captured by his last two letters. Often he is too liberal - even for me - and he seems antagonistic against everything. In his third letter, for example, he mocked Texas for no apparent reason. This was simply immature writing and did not belong with this very serious subject matter. In Moore's fourth letter, he shows again why I cannot fully support him. While I have to admit that George W. Bush's claim to the Presidency is still questionable, the fact remains that he is now our President. Discussions about votes, who really won Florida, etc. must be discarded for they are moot. What is important now is that, like it or not, Bush is the President. And, at a time like this, we should show him our support.

However, to oscillate once again, I must state that I agree with Moore's overall point. Declare war? Against whom? And how? At what cost? It seems far more logical to me to capture the villians that did this horrible deed than declare war against any government or people.

The former Soviet Union basically raped Afghanistan. Bomb them? Too late, they were already bombed in the 80's by the Soviet regime. Destroy their crops? Too late, the U.S.S.R. already beat us to it. These people cannot overthrow the Taliban because they are too weak and poor to do so. They don't need for the U.S. to destroy them further. Therefore, I repeat the question, declare war against whom?

Should the U.S. respond? Definitely. But how we respond and the actions we take will be judged by the world. Caution must be exercised here; otherwise, bin Laden has just further succeeded in terrorizing us.

In summary, while I agree with many of Moore's basic points, it seems his writing style could use some clarity. Unnecessary ramblings attacking places for no apparent reason or rehashing history for the purpose of a weak analogy is not the markings of a good writer. To be candid, I'm actually rather disappointed by this series of Moore's letters - I expected far better. The only letter I fully support was his second. This was the one and only letter so far where he was direct and consistent in his tone, with no needless rhetoric.

That said, the basic elements of Moore's letters should not be overlooked. While it is time for action, it is also time for reflection and careful planning. If the U.S. wants to declare itself the leader of the world, then it must act as one. How we act here will forever be remembered in history. Do we act like overzealous mongrols or do we act with the dignity yet sharpness that befits a great nation?
 
I do not know who Michael Moore is but he seems to talk sense for the most part. Too many people in here know absolutely nothing about what they are talking about... insularism is coming home to roost I am afraid.

And Achtung Bubba you are an absolute idiot. You and your like are giving America a bad name internationally. There is nothing wrong with being patriotic and waving the flag, but it is impossible to have a rational conversation with you without twisting it around to suit your own personal point of view. Healthy debate is good, but you are so blinkered you are teetering on extremism. You are about as open-minded as the people who seem to believe America is the big bad evil in the world. I have sat here and read all of your rantings and it is at this point I have to intervene.

No doubt you will come back with some contrived response or an equally witty "fuck off".

And just because I am not American, does that make my views any less "important" or relevant than yours? I think not.

It takes a lot to annoy me but you have managed to do it. And what's worse, I know there are probably millions of people who are just like you. Just they aren't all supporting the same team.

And if you come up with this fucking shit of me not agreeing with you automatically means that a) I sympathise with the terrorists b) I am belittling the deaths of 6,000 people and c) I think America is evil, then you are even more blinkered than I could possibly imagine.

And I also know I am not the only one on here who thinks this. Open your eyes, ears and mind and take note of what is happening. Or else you will regret it.
 
Hmmm

Maybe I was a bit harsh there but people have got to get real... the lynch-mob mentality never won anything.

And it did take the US four months to go to war over Kuwait, so let's hope the big heads can come up with some solution. It's not often practically the whole world is behind a single military initiative.
 
Hail Bubba.

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I can`t change the world but i can
change the world in me.

Read you, Rono.
 
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