NFL Thread III - Page 15

LemonMelon · 02-18-2021, 05:39 PM

Are the Eagles eating any of that ludicrous contract? I feel like the Colts could do better than settle for a Wentz reclamation project. But hey, a 2nd and a 3rd is pretty good, and there's potential it could be a steal.

DaveC · 02-18-2021, 05:58 PM

i'm always hesitant to think i understand anything about NFL contracts but it sounds like to the colts are taking on the entire balance of the contract, including the bonus due next month.

Jerry Dunk · 02-18-2021, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LemonMelon

Are the Eagles eating any of that ludicrous contract? I feel like the Colts could do better than settle for a Wentz reclamation project. But hey, a 2nd and a 3rd is pretty good, and there's potential it could be a steal.

Yes, in the sense that the contract was pretty signing bonus heavy, and the signing bonus is always paid out by the signing team. The Eagles are eating the largest dead cap hit in history ($33.8 million) in 2021. For the Colts, I believe it's functionally a 2-year deal totaling $47 million.

LemonMelon · 02-18-2021, 06:02 PM

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Yes, in the sense that the contract was pretty signing bonus heavy, and the signing bonus is always paid out by the signing team. The Eagles are eating the largest dead cap hit in history ($33.8 million) in 2021. For the Colts, I believe it's functionally a 2-year deal totaling $47 million.

$33 million? Fucking hell.

The Colts' OL is good at least...better than what Wentz had before...I dunno, maybe he ends up having a great year and it works out fine for everyone. Philly can get Jalen some help with those picks.

Jerry Dunk · 02-18-2021, 06:09 PM

Wentz's 2019 season is probably what he is now: above average in raw talent but flawed ... injury prone, frustrating as hell because he plays himself into sacks and turnovers by having poor pocket awareness. I don't think he's a very bright guy.

For the Eagles, 2021 was going to be a nightmare anyway because they were already in cap hell ($70 million over the cap coming into the offseason), so with the uncertainty around Wentz and a lost season coming up anyway, it made sense to cut bait now and take their medicine on all their financial woes. They're gonna have to make a bunch of trades and cut some guys. Jeffery and Jackson are the easy ones. They'll have to trade Ertz, and possibly Lane Johnson. Kelce might retire, Peters almost certainly will. Malik Jackson will be gone. They could trade Fletcher Cox or Brandon Graham. There's a lot that has to happen to get under the number, and they won't be free agent players due to their cap woes.

I'd be more optimistic with good draft picks coming in 2021 and 2022 (since they'll be fucking terrible this season) if they weren't running it back with the same front office that got them here in the first place. Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie are terrible at the draft. JJ Arcega-Whiteside over DK Metcalf and Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson in back-to-back years has driven me insane. It's not hindsight telling us that they were bad picks; they were bad picks the moment they happened. Every Eagles fan I know wanted Jefferson there.

LemonMelon · 02-18-2021, 06:50 PM

The biggest long-term issues I see with Wentz are mental. Not even having the yips from countless sacks and QB hits due to a substandard OL these past two seasons, not even a rather slow processing speed, but his attitude in general. Very defensive, domineering and presumptuous. It was transparent how threatened he felt having another QB play well in his presence, as with Foles. Philly's playoff success with him on the bench exposed some rather serious unforeseen character issues.

Between Jalen Reagor and Josh Doctson, it doesn't seem that TCU has been the place for pro WR prospects. Reagor could still be really good, but I don't see a way he lives up to his pick with the possibility of Jefferson sitting there.

Hewson · 02-19-2021, 06:41 AM

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Blake Bortles and Jameis Winston went 1 and 2 in two consecutive years and are both 3rd strong at this point.

Both showed incredible promise after their first two seasons. Neither got massive contracts. Gotta imagine the main difference is that Wentz and Goff led their teams to the super bowl.

Well, Bortles was drafted #3, not 2, and as you pointed out they were drafted in consecutive seasons, not the same season.

So a better comparison would be Winston and Mariotta (which I know takes away your UCF connection) who went 1 and 2 in 2015, and are both no longer on their drafted team and are currently back ups.
Big difference is neither Winston nor Mariotta got the huge contract extension whereas both Goff and Wentz did, but their teams still moved on from them after such massive financial investment.

LuckyNumber7 · 02-19-2021, 07:05 AM

I always compare the two naturally because I watched the both of them closely, and always forget Mariotta even exists for the opposite reason.

Headache in a Suitcase · 02-23-2021, 12:27 PM

where do we fit in LN7's former bust turned efficient playoff starting quarterback (for someone else)?

LuckyNumber7 · 02-23-2021, 12:46 PM

I don’t even know what you’re asking

LuckyNumber7 · 02-24-2021, 10:03 AM

Now you’ve perturbed me

the tourist · 03-15-2021, 11:17 PM

I hate this offseason.

LemonMelon · 03-16-2021, 01:24 AM

Washington is getting a taste of Fitzmagic

LuckyNumber7 · 03-16-2021, 02:16 AM

Dope, great guy I really don’t ever want him to retire

Hewson · 03-16-2021, 06:35 AM

Bill Belichick spending like a drunken sailor. We are officially in Bizarro World.

mikal · 03-16-2021, 07:46 AM

Excited that Aaron Jones is staying in GB. He is one of my favorite players to come out over the last 10 years. Packers should be good enough to lose in the NFC Championship again this year!

mikal · 03-16-2021, 04:04 PM

Oh man, I even feel bad for Bears fans right now.

GirlsAloudFan · 03-17-2021, 01:14 AM

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Oh man, I even feel bad for Bears fans right now.

I could have sworn you said you were leaving the message board for good. What happened to that?

mikal · 03-17-2021, 07:08 AM

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I could have sworn you said you were leaving the message board for good. What happened to that?

I thought it would be easy to move on but the grief I experienced from not having you in my life was what brought me back.

Hewson · 03-17-2021, 07:12 AM

02-18-2021, 05:39 PM	#281
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,642 Local Time: 11:01 PM	Are the Eagles eating any of that ludicrous contract? I feel like the Colts could do better than settle for a Wentz reclamation project. But hey, a 2nd and a 3rd is pretty good, and there's potential it could be a steal. __________________

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02-18-2021, 06:09 PM	#285
Jerry Dunk War Child Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: South Philadelphia Posts: 970 Local Time: 02:01 AM	Wentz's 2019 season is probably what he is now: above average in raw talent but flawed ... injury prone, frustrating as hell because he plays himself into sacks and turnovers by having poor pocket awareness. I don't think he's a very bright guy. For the Eagles, 2021 was going to be a nightmare anyway because they were already in cap hell ($70 million over the cap coming into the offseason), so with the uncertainty around Wentz and a lost season coming up anyway, it made sense to cut bait now and take their medicine on all their financial woes. They're gonna have to make a bunch of trades and cut some guys. Jeffery and Jackson are the easy ones. They'll have to trade Ertz, and possibly Lane Johnson. Kelce might retire, Peters almost certainly will. Malik Jackson will be gone. They could trade Fletcher Cox or Brandon Graham. There's a lot that has to happen to get under the number, and they won't be free agent players due to their cap woes. I'd be more optimistic with good draft picks coming in 2021 and 2022 (since they'll be fucking terrible this season) if they weren't running it back with the same front office that got them here in the first place. Howie Roseman and Jeffrey Lurie are terrible at the draft. JJ Arcega-Whiteside over DK Metcalf and Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson in back-to-back years has driven me insane. It's not hindsight telling us that they were bad picks; they were bad picks the moment they happened. Every Eagles fan I know wanted Jefferson there.

02-18-2021, 06:50 PM	#286
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,642 Local Time: 11:01 PM	The biggest long-term issues I see with Wentz are mental. Not even having the yips from countless sacks and QB hits due to a substandard OL these past two seasons, not even a rather slow processing speed, but his attitude in general. Very defensive, domineering and presumptuous. It was transparent how threatened he felt having another QB play well in his presence, as with Foles. Philly's playoff success with him on the bench exposed some rather serious unforeseen character issues. Between Jalen Reagor and Josh Doctson, it doesn't seem that TCU has been the place for pro WR prospects. Reagor could still be really good, but I don't see a way he lives up to his pick with the possibility of Jefferson sitting there.

02-19-2021, 07:05 AM	#288
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,913 Local Time: 02:01 AM	I always compare the two naturally because I watched the both of them closely, and always forget Mariotta even exists for the opposite reason.

02-23-2021, 12:27 PM	#289
Headache in a Suitcase Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: This forum just ain't what it was pre-2007 but I still post here Posts: 69,601 Local Time: 02:01 AM	where do we fit in LN7's former bust turned efficient playoff starting quarterback (for someone else)?

02-23-2021, 12:46 PM	#290
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,913 Local Time: 02:01 AM	I don’t even know what you’re asking

02-24-2021, 10:03 AM	#291
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,913 Local Time: 02:01 AM	Now you’ve perturbed me

03-15-2021, 11:17 PM	#292
the tourist Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 27,919 Local Time: 11:01 PM	I hate this offseason.

03-16-2021, 01:24 AM	#293
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,642 Local Time: 11:01 PM	Washington is getting a taste of Fitzmagic

03-16-2021, 02:16 AM	#294
LuckyNumber7 Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 18,913 Local Time: 02:01 AM	Dope, great guy I really don’t ever want him to retire

03-16-2021, 06:35 AM	#295
Hewson Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Your own private Idaho Posts: 32,733 Local Time: 02:01 AM	Bill Belichick spending like a drunken sailor. We are officially in Bizarro World.

03-16-2021, 07:46 AM	#296
mikal Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Black Lodge Posts: 27,444 Local Time: 01:01 AM	Excited that Aaron Jones is staying in GB. He is one of my favorite players to come out over the last 10 years. Packers should be good enough to lose in the NFC Championship again this year!

03-16-2021, 04:04 PM	#297
mikal Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Black Lodge Posts: 27,444 Local Time: 01:01 AM	Oh man, I even feel bad for Bears fans right now.