so, the terrorists win... - Page 6

melon · 12-31-2009, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram

Yeah, right.

Have any of you flown on El Al? They routinely take way longer to screen, they are known for emptying planes and re-loading them, etc. Most reputable travel agents will tell you to add an hour or two to your arrival at the airport when flying with them due to this reason.

I think they are excellent at what they do, but the idea that we'd put up with their screening methods because they're not a hassle is simply absurd.

Admittedly, I'm automatically suspicious of anything posed as a "perfect solution" in the media, so it's good to have added perspective here. Thanks.

coolian2 · 12-31-2009, 12:08 PM

plus good luck even getting on the plane if you've had your passport stamped in dubai, for example. but i digress.

INDY500 · 12-31-2009, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes

it sounds to me like this whole thing was the work of one complete idiot.

Then your instinct is the same as the president's who called him an "isolated extremist" well after the evidence said otherwise. And therein lies the problem.
An isolated extremist would be read his rights and tried as a criminal. If you thought we were at war and this was a failed terrorist attack by a foreign enemy combatant or saboteur you would interrogate him to find out who trained, equipped and sent him and try him in a military court.

martha · 12-31-2009, 12:16 PM

Should we be sending those drones over to the Amsterdam airport? It sounds like there were some major security cock-ups there.

Dalton · 12-31-2009, 12:24 PM

On my recent flight to Pandora, all the passengers were placed in a drug induced coma for the duration of the flight. I would feel much better if all flights operated like this.

phillyfan26 · 12-31-2009, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

Dalton · 12-31-2009, 12:26 PM

I've got the fuckin' solution right here.

I'd put Keifer Sutherland, a bottle of Jack and a handgun on every flight.

Jive Turkey · 12-31-2009, 01:26 PM

I didnt care enough to fact check

AliEnvy · 12-31-2009, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by martha

Should we be sending those drones over to the Amsterdam airport? It sounds like there were some major security cock-ups there.

Brilliant! Points for War on Terror AND War on Drugs. More with less.

Suvivors will be "interrogated" in Lithuania.

martha · 12-31-2009, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by AliEnvy

Brilliant! Points for War on Terror AND War on Drugs. More with less.

Suvivors will be "interrogated" in Lithuania.

I'm just that good. And don't forget the War on Homos!

bigjohn2441 · 12-31-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by martha

I'm just that good. And don't forget the War on Homos!

Better send the drones to San Francisco.

martha · 12-31-2009, 02:20 PM

Nah. Amsterdam is clearly the enemy.

Dalton · 12-31-2009, 02:46 PM

The "homos" will never be able to form an army. Their soldiers aren't allowed to talk to one another.

maycocksean · 12-31-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

Then your instinct is the same as the president's who called him an "isolated extremist" well after the evidence said otherwise. And therein lies the problem.
An isolated extremist would be read his rights and tried as a criminal. If you thought we were at war and this was a failed terrorist attack by a foreign enemy combatant or saboteur you would interrogate him to find out who trained, equipped and sent him and try him in a military court.

Your instinct seems to be to avoid the hard questions.

What evidence do you have that he has not been interrogated? Has he been set up with a fancy east coast lawyer who will defend him against charges of disturbing the peace?

INDY500 · 12-31-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by maycocksean

Your instinct seems to be to avoid the hard questions.

What evidence do you have that he has not been interrogated? Has he been set up with a fancy east coast lawyer who will defend him against charges of disturbing the peace?

He was arrested and read his Miranda rights (right to be silent). Apparently he talked (bragged) the first day anyway.

I have never blamed the current administration for the failed attack, although I disagree with some policy changes they've made, but can you defend their words and actions in the first 72 hours after the attack? Don't forget, this thread was started to respond to the preposterous new rules about not leaving your seat or covering your lap the final hour of a trip.

INDY500 · 12-31-2009, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

I didnt care enough to fact check

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For the past eight years, approximately 2 million Americans a day have been subjected to humiliating searches at airport security checkpoints, forced to remove their shoes and jackets, to open their computers, and to remove all liquids from their carry-on bags, except minuscule amounts in marked 3-ounce containers placed in Ziploc plastic bags -- folding sandwich bags are verboten -- among other indignities.

This, allegedly, was the price we had to pay for safe airplanes. The one security precaution the government refused to consider was to require extra screening for passengers who looked like the last three-dozen terrorists to attack airplanes.

Since Muslims took down Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988, every attack on a commercial airliner has been committed by foreign-born Muslim men with the same hair color, eye color and skin color. Half of them have been named Mohammed.

And so, despite 5 trillion Americans opening laptops, surrendering lip gloss and drinking breast milk in airports day after day for the past eight years, the government still couldn't stop a Nigerian Muslim from nearly blowing up a plane over Detroit on Christmas Day.

--Ann Coulter Dec 30th column

That's the problem with your stats.

BVS · 12-31-2009, 04:23 PM

You and Ann have a lot in common...

and removing your jackets and shoes is humiliating? Really? Come on... Maybe Ann has some body issues.

INDY500 · 12-31-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

You and Ann have a lot in common...

and removing your jackets and shoes is humiliating? Really? Come on... Maybe Ann has some body issues.

It's a colossal waste of time if nothing else. When I flew to Houston last week the person in front of me taking off his shoes and jacket was an airline pilot.
That's efficient screening.

martha · 12-31-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

and removing your jackets and shoes is humiliating? Really? Come on... Maybe Ann has some body issues.

Yes, it is. It's annoying and stupid and pointless.

And Ann Coulter is still a fucking idiot, no matter what she says.

BVS · 12-31-2009, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

It's a colossal waste of time if nothing else. When I flew to Houston last week the person in front of me taking off his shoes and jacket was an airline pilot.
That's efficient screening.

And you think profiling would work better? Let the white folks through stop the brownies? Because that wouldn't be the easiest security fault to work around. Pilot's are immune to security breaches? Wow, someone hasn't watched enough movies in their lifetime.

Just short sighted ignorance... Yes, what we have now isn't perfect but it's far better than what we had pre 9/11.

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martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,555 Local Time: 06:05 AM	Should we be sending those drones over to the Amsterdam airport? It sounds like there were some major security cock-ups there.

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Dalton Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll. Posts: 15,152 Local Time: 08:05 AM	On my recent flight to Pandora, all the passengers were placed in a drug induced coma for the duration of the flight. I would feel much better if all flights operated like this.

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Dalton Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll. Posts: 15,152 Local Time: 08:05 AM	I've got the fuckin' solution right here. I'd put Keifer Sutherland, a bottle of Jack and a handgun on every flight.

12-31-2009, 01:26 PM	#108
Jive Turkey ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,646 Local Time: 09:05 AM	I didnt care enough to fact check

12-31-2009, 02:20 PM	#112
martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,555 Local Time: 06:05 AM	Nah. Amsterdam is clearly the enemy.

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Dalton Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Little hand says it's time to rock and roll. Posts: 15,152 Local Time: 08:05 AM	The "homos" will never be able to form an army. Their soldiers aren't allowed to talk to one another.

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BVS Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: between my head and heart Posts: 41,228 Local Time: 07:05 AM	You and Ann have a lot in common... and removing your jackets and shoes is humiliating? Really? Come on... Maybe Ann has some body issues.