|
Click Here to Login |
Register | Premium Upgrade | Blogs | Gallery | Arcade | FAQ | Calendar | Search | Today's Posts | Mark Forums Read | Log in |
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Search this Thread | Display Modes |
![]() |
#101 | ||
Galeonbroad
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Schoo Fishtank
Posts: 70,778
Local Time: 09:41 PM
|
Quote:
Quote:
|
||
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#102 |
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS Join Date: May 2005
Location: Belfast
Posts: 5,187
Local Time: 08:41 PM
|
You could say we are responsible for the maintenance of a status quo that does still lasting harm to that group of people. We may have gotten rid of the laws and all the overt stuff from discrimination, but when we don't do anything to improve the position they have been left in, we are complicit by are lack of action. The world is skewed to be beneficial to white western people, we don't like rocking that boat.
__________________ |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#103 |
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:41 PM
|
I would agree that is true in the mostly white Western Civilization (which wouldn't be too difficult to expect to some degree). However, there's quite a few people living in the East that impact the globe as well. Once could argue that the Chinese use "slavery-lite" today to gain wage advantage.
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#104 | |
Refugee
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,592
Local Time: 12:41 PM
|
Quote:
Couldn't have said it better myself. Many of us are working to end policies such as the War on the Drugs and other forms of structural racism, but many others think that because there is no more overt discrimination, racism is over. It's not and we need to work to improve the lives of groups that have been affected by racial discrimination, both in the past and present. Reparations are part of that. Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#105 | |
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: in a glass of CheerWine
Posts: 3,266
Local Time: 03:41 PM
|
Quote:
These were 7th graders. At first they did not and were puzzled, all of them. They all thought that only blacks had been subjected to slavery. They also thought that it had only occurred in the U.S. Once into the discussion they were shocked to realize it was still being practiced in some parts of the world. After the talking, I turned them loose on the computers to search and learn more. The point I was trying to get across is that we are all human and we all have much in common. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#106 | |
45:33
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: East Point to Shaolin
Posts: 57,942
Local Time: 05:41 AM
|
Quote:
Our former govt apologised in 08 I think to aboriginal people for racist policies back in the 40s/50s. It was well received by all. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#107 |
Blue Crack Addict
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 28,362
Local Time: 05:11 AM
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#108 | |
you are what you is
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 22,045
Local Time: 09:41 PM
|
Quote:
Preferably one that doesn't trivialize slavery and the way racism is integrated in many societies.
__________________
“Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe.” ~Frank Zappa |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#109 | |
Rock n' Roll Doggie
ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Berlin
Posts: 6,722
Local Time: 09:41 PM
|
Quote:
Actually, we do. Until a few years ago we still paid reparations for WWI. Reparations for WWII are still not paid off. And payments are being made to Holocaust survivors. It's shameful because they had to struggle for it. It's not a matter of personal guilt, but a country as a collective has to face up to its past. It doesn't always need to be in the form of payments. But it's important for us to be aware of our countries' past actions. I don't see racism as a smaller problem here in Europe. As others pointed out, almost all countries have far-right parties which are in some instances even in the double-digits at polls. We do have problems with integration and tend to put the immigrants at fault. It's more under-handed, though especially because the immigrants in European countries are less organised. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#110 |
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: in a glass of CheerWine
Posts: 3,266
Local Time: 03:41 PM
|
I don't understand the view, so often expressed here, that it's the far right
that is responsible for all racism. I agree. The U.S. does have some that are responsible: KKK, Neo-Nazis and other white hate groups. I don't understand how the Left gets away with saying things like the following: Al Sharpton: "A young man 18 years old shot down in the streets unarmed and rather than you address it, you tried to smear the young man, rather than uphold the principles of justice and dignity. I want you to know these parents are not going to cry alone. They're not going to stand alone. They're not going to fight alone. We have had enough." National Review report about MSNBC: The events in Ferguson, Mo., could be part of an impending “genocide” of black men unless the nation changes its course, according to one MSNBC guest. Appearing on the network on Monday, Michelle Bernard, head of the Bernard Center for Women, said she has struggled to explain to her children the forces at work behind Michael Brown’s death. “There is a war on black boys in this country, in my opinion — there is a war on black men,” she told Chris Matthews. “It is an absolutely deplorable situation that the United States, which is supposed to be the greatest nation on earth, sits back and allows black boys to be murdered.” Bernard pointed to the bad economy and the discriminatory education system as worsening the state of the black community. Before signing off, Matthews said he hopes Americans will listen to “you folks” more often, rather than just in the midst of incidents like Ferguson (he immediately clarified that by “you folks” he meant Bernard and the Washington Post’s Eugene Robinson, not black people in general). “I hope so because it’s going to turn into a genocide if it doesn’t stop,” Bernard chimed in before the break. |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#111 |
Blue Crack Supplier
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 41,228
Local Time: 01:41 PM
|
Out of all the Sharpton quotes, you chose the wrong one. He's just speaking to the frustration of the community.
As far as the other, you're finally correct, it's hyperbole. The words "genocide" and "war on _____" are too often used. Is the war on black boys any less real than the war on Christmas? It was that fictitious war that started this whole term. The only difference is one of these wars actually has casualties, unarmed black males are killed by cops more than anyone else, black males will get the max for marijuana more often than anyone else, and they will get parole less than anyone else. Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#112 | |
Resident Photo Buff
Forum Moderator Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Somewhere in middle America
Posts: 13,649
Local Time: 02:41 PM
|
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#113 | |
Blue Crack Addict
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Berlin, Germany.
Posts: 22,280
Local Time: 09:41 PM
|
Quote:
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#114 | |
Blue Crack Addict
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: NY
Posts: 18,877
Local Time: 03:41 PM
|
Quote:
I also don't see anything racist or for that matter objectionable in Al Sharpton's statement, and heaven knows he's said a lot of stupid things in his life. |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#115 |
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: in a glass of CheerWine
Posts: 3,266
Local Time: 03:41 PM
|
From a commentary written by Walter Williams:
Blacks Must Confront Reality "Though racial discrimination exists, it is nowhere near the barrier it once was. The relevant question is: How much of what we see today can be explained by racial discrimination? This is an important question because if we conclude that racial discrimination is the major cause of black problems when it isn't, then effective solutions will be elusive forever. To begin to get a handle on the answer, let's pull up a few historical facts about black Americans. In 1950, female-headed households were 18 percent of the black population. Today it's close to 70 percent. One study of 19th-century slave families found that in up to three-fourths of the families, all the children lived with the biological mother and father. In 1925 New York City, 85 percent of black households were two-parent households. Herbert Gutman, author of "The Black Family in Slavery and Freedom, 1750-1925," reports, "Five in six children under the age of six lived with both parents." Also, both during slavery and as late as 1920, a teenage girl raising a child without a man present was rare among blacks. A study of 1880 family structure in Philadelphia found that three-quarters of black families were nuclear families (composed of two parents and children). What is significant, given today's arguments that slavery and discrimination decimated the black family structure, is the fact that years ago, there were only slight differences in family structure among racial groups. Coupled with the dramatic breakdown in the black family structure has been an astonishing growth in the rate of illegitimacy. The black illegitimacy rate in 1940 was about 14 percent; black illegitimacy today is over 70 percent, and in some cities, it is over 80 percent. The point of bringing up these historical facts is to ask this question, with a bit of sarcasm: Is the reason the black family was far healthier in the late 1800s and 1900s that back then there was far less racial discrimination and there were greater opportunities? Or did what experts call the "legacy of slavery" wait several generations to victimize today's blacks? Read more: Blacks Must Confront Reality - Walter E. Williams - Page 1 |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#116 |
Blue Crack Supplier
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: between my head and heart
Posts: 41,228
Local Time: 01:41 PM
|
Facts by themselves do not make a point. To say there were more black nuclear families under slavery is a moot point.
We have to look at the fallout of the nuclear family in general and why it effects some races more than others? Does opportunity and discrimination play a part? You'd have to be blind not to see that. Are they the only factors? Absolutely not. Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference |
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#117 | |
Blue Crack Supplier
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,247
Local Time: 03:41 PM
|
Quote:
Straight men certainly have some explaining to do. Sent from |
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#118 |
Rock n' Roll Doggie
Band-aid Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: California
Posts: 4,052
Local Time: 12:41 PM
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#119 |
Blue Crack Supplier
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 33,247
Local Time: 03:41 PM
|
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
#120 |
Self-righteous bullshitter
Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Soviet Canuckistan — Socialist paradise
Posts: 16,899
Local Time: 04:41 PM
|
__________________
__________________
|
![]() |
![]() |
![]() |
Thread Tools | Search this Thread |
Display Modes | |
|
|