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Old 08-14-2014, 06:28 PM   #21
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Do you all think an alien invasion would help racial tension?


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Well with the exception of Independence Day, black characters go first according to the movies.

So unless they attack on that day, probably not.


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Old 08-14-2014, 06:29 PM   #22
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It's a "look what we're doing to ourselves" kind of attitude. But that is, of course, just one way of looking at the problem.
Is it laziness
Don't they know white people have a lot more good stuff and are probably insured.
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I think a lot of inner city crime stems from 1. lack of job opportunities and 2. bad or nonexistent parenting. It's a mix of a subtle caste system that exists partially due to institutionalized racism, as well as a long-running history of absentee parenting in the black community. Yeah, I think crime increases as socioeconomic status decreases, but it's not entirely by chance that many of these men and women aren't being offered the same opportunities. To an extent, it starts in the community, but on a smaller level, it starts at home.
Agreed with all of this. It's especially apparent in Chicago, which as you probably know is a highly segregated city. The south and west sides receive next to no government attention (infrastructure etc.) and employers are very hesitant to expand into those areas. Apparently now a lot of Latinos and African-Americans are moving to the suburbs as more and more yuppie types (for lack of a better term) move into areas like Logan Square, Avondale, etc, so there is an issue of displacement as well. I gather a similar process is underway in Brooklyn and probably areas of LA as well.
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That touches on the issue of gentrification which is also happening in Philly and many other cities.
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we've spent a lot of time over the past 50 years realizing that racism is wrong, but we don't yet really gasp what racism actually is.
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I dated a woman that seemed to have an unnatural fear of black men
I later found out she was robbed at gun point at a bank ATM - black man
she is Japanese American - black on yellow crime
Interesing that, at least in this particular case, the fear turned out to be entirely rational.

The average white liberal's concern for advancing black privilege, or at least the privilege not to be criticised or to have most if not all criticisms of collective or individual behaviour put in the "racism" box strikes me as a classic case of the proverbial turkeys voting for Christmas.

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Maths and science rankings are meaningless - they don't adequately reflect the unique South African culture.

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There is no such thing as society. There are individual men, and women, and there are families. - Margaret Thatcher
This really is best served by Russell Brand's quote from his best piece, following Thatcher's death:

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The blunt, pathetic reality today is that a little old lady has died, who in the winter of her life had to water roses alone under police supervision. If you behave like there's no such thing as society, in the end there isn't.
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This really is best served by Russell Brand's quote from his best piece, following Thatcher's death:
Russell Brands piece just shows how ill-informed he is.

Of course she had police protection after leaving office - all British Prime Ministers do, what a rubbishy point for him to make.

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She was a loathsome woman on so many levels. Absolutely loathsome.

I remember very well the views that South Africans expressed about her, basically in unison.
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Interesing that, at least in this particular case, the fear turned out to be entirely rational.

Would it be rational to fear all red headed women if robbed by one? Would it be rational to fear all tweens if robbed by one?

Now it may be reactionary, even understandable, but not rational.


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Didn't hear about this one.


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Good point. As with pretty much any statistic out there regarding social problems, it makes much more sense to analyze by income/poverty levels than by race.
I think I see where you're coming from, but I very much disagree. To address racial issues, I think you absolutely cannot conflate them with socioeconomic inequality. Especially in post-slavery societies like most of the Western hemisphere, which is often difficult to do because for obvious historical reasons race and poverty tend to overlap. But one cannot ignore the fact that a poor black person is more likely to be arrested, incarcerated, physically attacked by the police, or convicted to longer sentences - to cite just a few examples - than a poor white person. Or that middle class black men are less likely to be promoted for a job than his middle class white counterpart. Or that a black waiter is likely to receive a smaller tip in the same restaurant. I mean, does anyone really believe that the same police reaction in Ferguson would happen in a predominantly white lower middle class community in, say, Montana? There are socioeconomic issues and there are racial issues, and they are different, even though they often overlap.
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Especially in post-slavery societies like most of the Western hemisphere, which is often difficult to do because for obvious historical reasons race and poverty tend to overlap. But one cannot ignore the fact that a poor black person is more likely to be arrested, incarcerated, physically attacked by the police, or convicted to longer sentences - to cite just a few examples - than a poor white person. Or that middle class black men are less likely to be promoted for a job than his middle class white counterpart. Or that a black waiter is likely to receive a smaller tip in the same restaurant. I mean, does anyone really believe that the same police reaction in Ferguson would happen in a predominantly white lower middle class community in, say, Montana? There are socioeconomic issues and there are racial issues, and they are different, even though they often overlap.
Agreed with pretty much all of this - I didn't mean to insinuate that race doesn't play a part in many facets of social life. I was responding specifically to the "black-on-black crime" phrase.
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Ah I see - my bad. I agree it's a bad phrase indeed.
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Would it be rational to fear all red headed women if robbed by one? Would it be rational to fear all tweens if robbed by one?

Now it may be reactionary, even understandable, but not rational.
I take your point, and agree that it wouldn't be entirely objectively rational. This I can agree with.
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He is saying racism doesn't exist because white people aren't committing mass executions of blacks.
Actually he is saying that there must be something intrinsically 'different' in black people compared to other races that results in "blacks are 13% of the population and half of all homicide victims—90% of whom are killed by other blacks.”

Funny enough, in the same post he claims he doesn't notice racism in his own surroundings.
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Actually he is saying that there must be something intrinsically 'different' in black people compared to other races that results in "blacks are 13% of the population and half of all homicide victims—90% of whom are killed by other blacks.”

Funny enough, in the same post he claims he doesn't notice racism in his own surroundings.

-I did not say racism does not exists in America. Please name a country free of racism. This thread is about how racism is exaggerated and used so often when an event like the shooting of a young lack man in Ferguson, Missouri occurs.

-It is a terrible that Michael Brown was killed. I can't even imagine how sad his family must be. His death is something that could have been avoided.

-If the deadly force used by the officer was uncalled for, he or she (white or black) should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

-I don't know what happened. I don't know the details.

-This rush to judgment without knowing the facts is wrong.

-I realize there are "bad cops' out there. There are some rouge people everywhere.

-The coffee house I operated in the 90s in my town was located not far from the police station. One Saturday night before midnight I parked my truck by the side entrance by a door to load up the trash. It was a one hour parking zone.

-About thirty minutes later I was called outside. A police officer quickly got in my face tell me I was over parked and he was writing a ticket. When I started to explain his demeanor quickly escalated and it was like he was daring me to move or say anything else. He was trying to get me into an altercation. His charge that my truck had been parked for hours was wrong and I really felt like pushing back. I backed off, took the ticket and moved my truck.


And I guess I am funny, I just don't see this rampant racism in my interactions with people day to day.

When it is exposed and it cause suffering, it should be stamped out.

I just believe it is time we judge people by their character (actions) and
stop putting select groups of people into categories where actions cannot be judged because of skin color.
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I just believe it is time we judge people by their character (actions) and

stop putting select groups of people into categories where actions cannot be judged because of skin color.

A good post, but events like Ferguson show that we haven't reached this point as a society.
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I just believe it is time we judge people by their character (actions) and
stop putting select groups of people into categories where actions cannot be judged because of skin color.
It is about time yes, but how do we get to that point?
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