nathan1977
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Hard to believe a thread hasn't sprung up around this yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY
I have a theory that in 100 years or so, someone is going to look back at David Koresh and the Branch Davidians and decide that he was legit. He claimed to be the Son of God. Foresaw his own death. Was untrusted and brutalized by the government of the day and was ultimately martyred by them. His church was low key and not noteworthy during its time. They'll write books about his life and his teachings. They'll add supernatural flourishes. In time it'll become one of the largest religions in the world.
I have a theory that in 100 years or so, someone is going to look back at David Koresh and the Branch Davidians and decide that he was legit. He claimed to be the Son of God. Foresaw his own death. Was untrusted and brutalized by the government of the day and was ultimately martyred by them. His church was low key and not noteworthy during its time. They'll write books about his life and his teachings. They'll add supernatural flourishes. In time it'll become one of the largest religions in the world.
Jesus who?
What to you is most discussion-worthy about it? My guess is in all likelihood most people in here hadn't heard of it; it's clearly coming from, and primarily aimed at, those of practicing Christian and especially evangelical Protestant backgrounds--after all most of it's devoted to laying out one person's baggage from and grievances with that specific environment, which isn't necessarily going to resonate with everybody. Having said that, it did come across to me like a familiar enough version of discontents common to many religiously inclined young people (not unique to Christians, nor to our times, though I think the increasingly individualistic nature of our culture probably does heighten it).Hard to believe a thread hasn't sprung up around this yet.
Hard to believe a thread hasn't sprung up around this yet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IAhDGYlpqY
"I don't hate Jesus, I just hate the people who invented him."
I refuse to believe there are any anti religious (at least, anti christian church) sentiments in the bible attributed to Jesus
If you want to say you agree with Jesus' message of love but none of the other stuff, that's fine. But he's loving the Bible in that poem, and the Bible is in many places as bad as the churches themselves. Leviticus is pure hatred.I thought about posting this, but knew it would only start another endless debate over the existence of God, the need for religion, and so forth. Y'know, the type of threads that go no where.
BVS said:There was no Christian Church in the Bible.
But there was when they were compiling the bible. I'm saying it would be retarded to suggest they would include any 'quotes' from Jesus that would suggest their organized religion is a bad idea. Besides, when they translated it in 1611 or whenever that was, there was a Christian church.
What to you is most discussion-worthy about it?
nathan1977 said:I'm kind of amused by some of the drive-by comments
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"There was no Christian Church in the Bible."
Perhaps BVS meant "Christian Church" in the uber-hierarchical Catholic sense, but this comment doesn't line up with the reality was that there was a church in the Bible -- lots of them, in fact. Paul spent a lot of time writing to and visiting with them, and the early followers of Christ spent a lot of time trying to sort out what corresponded with Jesus' teachings and what didn't. (The gnostic heresy was in full bloom almost immediately after Jesus' death and resurrection.)
nathan1977 said:^
"There was no Christian Church in the Bible."
Perhaps BVS meant "Christian Church" in the uber-hierarchical Catholic sense, but this comment doesn't line up with the reality was that there was a church in the Bible -- lots of them, in fact. Paul spent a lot of time writing to and visiting with them, and the early followers of Christ spent a lot of time trying to sort out what corresponded with Jesus' teachings and what didn't. (The gnostic heresy was in full bloom almost immediately after Jesus' death and resurrection.)
And as far as what Jesus said/didn't say (your comment asserted that the church fathers "attribut(ed) quotes to Jesus that he most likely never said"), there's a great deal of evidence -- even among liberal scholars such as the Jesus seminar -- for the historical record of Jesus' words and deeds.
anitram said:Is it not also historically accurate that by and large the early followers considered themselves to be Jews (later leaning towards some hybrid of Christian Jews) until the destruction of the temple, which was some 4 decades after the death of Christ?
I think it's considered "cool" to be anti-religion but pro-Jesus, but I also think it's kind of tired. Maybe it's because I'm naturally more religious than spiritual? I don't know. I believe in church--maybe not the hierarchical (sp) Church--but the church in the sense of a community of believers. Christianity has always been a social religion, and I don't think it's well served when Christians swear off the church in favor of going off to be "spiritual" by themselves somewhere.
Is it not also historically accurate that by and large the early followers considered themselves to be Jews (later leaning towards some hybrid of Christian Jews) until the destruction of the temple, which was some 4 decades after the death of Christ?