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love, blood, life Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Ireland
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Austerity for us, double digit pay rises and champagne for them.
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I'm tired of this crap. When does the revolution start? |
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More 5G Than Man
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I think you should start the revolution, financeguy.
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I think you should, Lemon Melon.
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This does not bode well for the revolution. . .
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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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That you and LemonMelon can't agree on who should start the revolution.
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No sir.
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That's good. I don't either.
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I'm amused.
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ALL ACCESS Join Date: Jul 2004
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Maybe a shareholder revolution?
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I constantly hear about how Americans have an "entitlement" problem whenever there's talk of raising the minimum wage or stopping CEOs for cutting benefits and pay raises/bonuses. It annoys me to death. Many college graduates don't even make a living wage in America and they are making above minimum wage. Then you hear about this stuff... and it's just... ugh. It annoys me that dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of employees suddenly see a drop in benefits and have to pay for their own health just so some stuck up CEO can make a few extra hundred grand a year. Isn't the pay ratio 475:1 in America?
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it's truly disgusting... well, i think people are waking up and starting to gripe about the injustices at long last at least! they can't get away with it for too much longer can they?
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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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The context is that the companies are not making money or are making less money than in the past (where would dividend cheques come from if there's no retained earnings?) yet big bonuses are being paid out. It's like getting a pay cheque without actually earning it or borrowing from the bank for the bonuses and not for the company. The problem is that in the past shareholders used to be larger owners of shares and could influence directors and CEOs didn't have an entitled job. Nowadays investors often don't even own the shares but just mutual fund units and so they are so divorced from the reality of companies that CEOs and directors and government insiders can create an entitled class of their own like an aristocracy via basic networking. A lot of shareholders are gamblers so they don't own the shares for that long. They just ride the train until they find another train that is better. Of course you could lose your shirt doing that. Basically the general public and powers-that-be are all greedy and want to make a killing so they can retire early because they don't like work and would rather play all the time. Since retained earnings on a Statement of Financial Position can only be collected over time all these large capital gains must be earned on the back of losers who bought at the wrong time. This mentality of "flipping" greedy consequences is pervasive in our society. Real capital gains are retained earnings. The rest is just a zero sum game. Profits happen with more efficiency and can be reinvested so that companies can grow, products become more numerous (cheaper standard of living) and products increase in quality. All the other stuff that doesn't fit into that often involves bad regulations that don't do anything, good regulations that aren't even being enforced and just plain robbery.
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There are some things that have been introduced, like say-on-pay resolutions and so on but most of these are without real teeth. |
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Rock n' Roll Doggie
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Then when you have low interest rates constantly there's not much incentive to invest in safe investments so it's another reason why investors don't mind risking more. And we are also talking about investors. Many people don't have much investments but larger amounts of debt so it's easy to see a shrinking middle class. I guess the best revolution there is is a grassroots one where people force themselves to spend less and invest more (in safer low return investments) which will provide the incentive for companies to offer more to shareholders. Also when people are not over consuming companies have to adjust to clients who aren't addicted to their products and at some point the CEO pay will have to be addressed by the company themselves if they want to survive. When the economy recovers the government will have to slowly raise interest rates and try much harder to keep gambling bubbles misallocating a large portion of the economy's capital. The key is that the general public has to show some savings over time and the ability to retire. That's the best signal I can think of, otherwise there will be a pyramidal society where the bottom will revolt and maybe institute an even worse tyranny (Soviets, French revolution terror). That would be a shame to repeat that. |
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pparently our economy has dictated these people deserve an annual income of such a ridiculous amount
if they don't get these payrises someone else will offer it to them free market and all
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Why can't large companies save money by exporting the top management jobs to India? As the cost of living is cheaper, an Indian, even a top manager, would work for much less. That's globalisation, right? Free market and all that?
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hey did you hear about Barclays getting fined 290 million today? 'bout time too!
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