Arizona bill 1070 - Page 3

martha · 04-25-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

Enjoy your bankruptcy.

Your state's next, what with the idiots in it trying to screw up your property tax system, just like mine did.

martha · 04-25-2010, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

All this law does is make what is already a federal crime a state crime.

Really? It's a federal crime to drive to work with brown skin?

martha · 04-25-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Tea Partiers, let me ask you again...

How does this fit into your "this was not the founding father's intent"

It's totally the founding fathers' intent. They owned slaves. Now we just own indentured servants to pick our lettuce.

INDY500 · 04-25-2010, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by martha

It's totally the founding fathers' intent. They owned slaves. Now we just own indentured servants to pick our lettuce.

You make it sound like we need to build a fence to keep people IN the country and not the other way around.

Most of the founding fathers did not own slaves by the way.

INDY500 · 04-25-2010, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by martha

Really? It's a federal crime to drive to work with brown skin?

It's a federal crime to be in the country illegally. Most countries have such laws. Really.

Bluer White · 04-25-2010, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by anitram

Great job, GOP. Just in time for an election with a large Latino electorate. Heckuva job!

That says a lot about the state's problem, then.

deep · 04-25-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BVS

Tea Partiers, let me ask you again...

How does this fit into your "this was not the founding father's intent" or "fiscal responsibility" mantras?

I am not really a tea partier

I rarely align myself with groups. I prefer to look at each issue on it's own merits.

But, specially to address you question:

What was the so-called Founding Fathers' intent for minorities?

Slavery, under-aged sex partners, and other fun stuff for some of them,

and the others? drive them out of the land, shoot them on site if they appear to be disagreeable and do not cooperate with you taking their property.

So, this legislation is indeed, moderate and tolerant by comparison.

Are you arguing for the good old days of our blessed, divinely inspired Founding Fathers?

BVS · 04-25-2010, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluer White

That says a lot about the state's problem, then.

What? Too many Latinos?

BVS · 04-25-2010, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

I am not really a tea partier

I rarely allingn myseif with groups. I prefer to look at each issue on it's own merits.

But, specially to address you question:

What was the so-called Founding Fathers' intend for minorities?

Slavery, under-aged sex partners.

and the others? drive them out of the land, shoot them on site if they appear to be disagreeable and do not cooperate with you taking their property.

So, this legislation is indeed, moderate and tolerant by comparison.

Are you arguing for the good old days of are blessed, divinely inspired Founding Fathers?

No, I'm trying to figure out how those that argue the "this is not what the Founding Fathers had in store for this country" crowd argue walling up our borders and making immigrants an enemy? To me it smacks of hypocrisy. Especially when the cost to do so would be a waste...

I just wish the Tea Partiers would be a little more consistent, but since it's conception it's been nothing but contradiction.

deep · 04-25-2010, 03:16 PM

Where is your critical thinking?

These tea partiers are a much better lot than the Founding Fathers.

Founding Fathers built walls, (settlements, forts) and exterminated people.

PhilsFan · 04-25-2010, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

It's a federal crime to be in the country illegally. Most countries have such laws. Really.

But now those in this country legally are subject to harassment from officers that is perfectly legal.

INDY500 · 04-25-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PhilsFan

But now those in this country legally are subject to harassment from officers that is perfectly legal.

Harassment? Is that how you describe every interaction with a police officer.

We aren't just talking about Mexican migrant workers here illegally. It's the violent drug wars, kidnappings and murders spilling over the border that forced Arizona's hand.

deep · 04-25-2010, 07:23 PM

The legislation has support of 70% of the people of AZ.

CA, Texas are boarder states, too. I don't believe this legislation would pass there. What is different about AZ? Is the situation different there?

I did find this:

Human trafficking case nets 47 arrests; 80,000 illegally brought to U.S. in last decade | rgj.com | The Reno Gazette-Journal

martha · 04-25-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

The legislation has support of 70% of the people of AZ.

CA, Texas are boarder states, too. I don't believe this legislation would pass there. What is different about AZ? Is the situation different there?

This is the state that was one of the last to have a day for MLK.

deep · 04-25-2010, 07:42 PM

Was MLK jr undocumented?

martha · 04-25-2010, 07:51 PM

He was born in Kenya. They all were.

**Diemen** · 04-26-2010, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

And ignoring the problem has done wonders for your state's schools, hospitals, prisons, economy and government spending hasn't it?

Enjoy your bankruptcy.

This bill does absolutely nothing to address the actual problem. It doesn't even attempt to address it.

PhilsFan · 04-26-2010, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by INDY500

Harassment? Is that how you describe every interaction with a police officer.

We aren't just talking about Mexican migrant workers here illegally. It's the violent drug wars, kidnappings and murders spilling over the border that forced Arizona's hand.

Every interaction with a police officer? Come on. Don't be that lazy.

bigjohn2441 · 04-26-2010, 08:05 AM

Since most people dont walk around everyday with passports or birth certificates, i could see how a us citizen being stopped and questioned about their status could turn into an incident of "harassment". LPR cardholders (green card) are supposed to carry the card with them at all times, and can be penalized for not doing so.

If a cop pulls someone in that doesnt have proof of citizenship or legal status, there are methods to research that, which would have to be a part of the immigration training the police recieve. (or should recieve if they get to enforce immigration law)

**KhanadaRhodes** · 04-26-2010, 08:21 AM

or we could just make it easier for the "illegals" to become legal. (calm down, i'm not talking about opening the door for everyone to move here, i'm talking about people already here. employed, law-abiding men and women who moved here for whatever reason.) then instead of wasting taxpayers' money stopping every dark-skinned person, we can benefit from the additional tax revenue.

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KhanadaRhodes Paper Gods Forum Administrator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: a vampire in the limousine Posts: 60,683 Local Time: 11:13 AM	or we could just make it easier for the "illegals" to become legal. (calm down, i'm not talking about opening the door for everyone to move here, i'm talking about people already here. employed, law-abiding men and women who moved here for whatever reason.) then instead of wasting taxpayers' money stopping every dark-skinned person, we can benefit from the additional tax revenue. __________________ __________________

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04-25-2010, 03:16 PM	#50
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,600 Local Time: 09:13 AM	Where is your critical thinking? These tea partiers are a much better lot than the Founding Fathers. Founding Fathers built walls, (settlements, forts) and exterminated people.

04-25-2010, 07:23 PM	#53
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,600 Local Time: 09:13 AM	The legislation has support of 70% of the people of AZ. CA, Texas are boarder states, too. I don't believe this legislation would pass there. What is different about AZ? Is the situation different there? I did find this: Human trafficking case nets 47 arrests; 80,000 illegally brought to U.S. in last decade \| rgj.com \| The Reno Gazette-Journal

04-25-2010, 07:42 PM	#55
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,600 Local Time: 09:13 AM	Was MLK jr undocumented?

04-25-2010, 07:51 PM	#56
martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,555 Local Time: 10:13 AM	He was born in Kenya. They all were.

04-26-2010, 08:05 AM	#59
bigjohn2441 Refugee Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,593 Local Time: 01:13 PM	Since most people dont walk around everyday with passports or birth certificates, i could see how a us citizen being stopped and questioned about their status could turn into an incident of "harassment". LPR cardholders (green card) are supposed to carry the card with them at all times, and can be penalized for not doing so. If a cop pulls someone in that doesnt have proof of citizenship or legal status, there are methods to research that, which would have to be a part of the immigration training the police recieve. (or should recieve if they get to enforce immigration law)