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Wow. It's weird outside of Pleba! OK here's the deal -- I have this project on Post-modern poetry. (12th grade)

I have looked and looked and cannot figure out what exactly it is except poetry after WW2. Is that all? There are really no rules on this project, so would it make sense at all to say that it's not just poetry in the strictest sense? Like could I say that music can be categorized as post-modern poetry?

In other words -- can I play U2 for my english class?! *convert the non-believers* Or would that just not make sense? I still have over a week but I gotta get crackin!



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"What you don't have you don't need it now. What you don't know you can feel it somehow."
 
I don't really know much about poetry, but I looked up postmodernism and this is what one site said:

What is postmodernism?

Firstly, postmodernism was a movement in architecture that rejected the modernist, avant garde, passion for the new. Modernism is here understood in art and architecture as the project of rejecting tradition in favour of going "where no man has gone before" or better: to create forms for no other purpose than novelty. Modernism was an exploration of possibilities and a perpetual search for uniqueness and its cognate--individuality. Modernism's valorization of the new was rejected by architectural postmodernism in the 50's and 60's for conservative reasons. They wanted to maintain elements of modern utility while returning to the reassuring classical forms of the past. The result of this was an ironic brick-a-brack or collage approach to construction that combines several traditional styles into one structure. As collage, meaning is found in combinations of already created patterns.

Following this, the modern romantic image of the lone creative artist was abandoned for the playful technician (perhaps computer hacker) who could retrieve and recombine creations from the past--data alone becomes necessary. This synthetic approach has been taken up, in a politically radical way, by the visual, musical,and literary arts where collage is used to startle viewers into reflection upon the meaning of reproduction. Here, pop-art reflects culture (American). Let me give you the example of Californian culture where the person--though ethnically European, African, Asian, or Hispanic--searches for authentic or "rooted" religious experience by dabbling in a variety of religious traditions. The foundation of authenticity has been overturned as the relativism of collage has set in. We see a pattern in the arts and everyday spiritual life away from universal standards into an atmosphere of multidimentionality and complexity, and most importantly--the dissolving of distinctions.

In sum, we could simplistically outline this movement in historical terms:

1. premodernism: Original meaning is possessed by authority (for example, the Catholic Church). The individual is dominated by tradition.

2. modernism: The enlightenment-humanist rejection of tradition and authority in favour of reason and natural science. This is founded upon the assumption of the autonomous individual as the sole source of meaning and truth--the Cartesian cogito. Progress and novelty are valorized within a linear conception of history--a history of a "real" world that becomes increasingly real or objectified. One could view this as a Protestant mode of consciousness.

3. postmodernism: A rejection of the sovereign autonomous individual with an emphasis upon anarchic collective, anonymous experience. Collage, diversity, the mystically unrepresentable, Dionysian passion are the foci of attention. Most importantly we see the dissolution of distinctions, the merging of subject and object, self and other. This is a sarcastic playful parody of western modernity and the "John Wayne" individual and a radical, anarchist rejection of all attempts to define, reify or re-present the human subject.

I don't know if that's of any help, but if your class's definition of postmodernism is just literature/art after World War II I'd say that U2 could possibly fit in. Song lyrics are poetry (except for maybe crap Briney Spears-ish songs), so I'd think Bono's lyrics would definitely qualify. It would definitely be cool if you could do the project on U2- maybe you should ask your teacher if it has to be about strict basic poetry or if songs could apply.

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[This message has been edited by Giant Lemon (edited 09-10-2001).]
 
Ooh This will help. I'm definitely gonna have a good presentation. I'm excited!
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I'll keep you guys posted on how I do

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~*Mona*~
"I'd like to thank you for letting me rub up against you!" ~Bono~

"What you don't have you don't need it now. What you don't know you can feel it somehow."
 
Hey GiantLemon do you have the name/addy of that site?

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~*Mona*~
"I'd like to thank you for letting me rub up against you!" ~Bono~

"What you don't have you don't need it now. What you don't know you can feel it somehow."
 
score! thanks
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