No to be devil’s advocate (might quite literally be so), but relating Kanye West to David Duke, Ahmadinejad etc. and then claiming Nick is a fan is kinda doing what Nick does.
Agreed. I know it’s hard to resist the temptation to get a jab in at someone you disagree with, but claiming they must admire racists is a step too far.
In the words of Michelle Obama...
Dammit, Nick.
Thanks Moonlit Good to see you.Exactly. That's the point. The Trump supporters have zero room to complain about anyone being mean to them/Trump/his administration, or making jokes about them, because they cheered Trump for "telling it like it is" and "not being PC" and not worrying about pissing off "sensitive" people. If that's the world they want to live in, fine, but they need to realize that that means the nasty rhetoric is going to go both ways as a result. And if we have to suck it up with our offense at something somebody says about us, then so do they. I don't get why they don't have to give a crap about our feelings and that's okay, but we have to be gentle with theirs. I keep hearing people say that we have to reach out and try and understand where they're coming from, but nobody tells them they need to do the same for us.
That being said, personally, I'd much rather have a calmer, quieter dialogue, and always try and engage in that kind of conversation when and where possible. But all the Trump supporters I've tried talking to don't really seem all that interested in that kind of conversation. They just continue to dig in their heels and believe the lies and BS this administration puts out, and accuse anyone who tries to tell them otherwise of lying, or mock those of us who try and explain why what this administration says and does is so troubling. So when talking doesn't work, what do you do then?
I didn't see the WHCD itself-I've just read snippets from Wolf's routine. From what I've read, I did see a couple comments about Ivanka that could be seen as perhaps a little too personal, and maybe there were other moments of that sort in the routine itself that I haven't read that did cross a line, or at least walk it very finely. If that's the case, then yeah, I can sympathize with the sentiment that we don't need to go there.
But most of what I've read wasn't personal jabs so much as it was just calling out this administration for being a clusterfuck of lies, which...it is. People are frustrated and angry. They feel like they've stepped into the Twilight Zone with how much bullshit people are willing to swallow from this administration, and are beyond tired of trying to explain to Trump supporters why this administration is so horrible. So I'm not surprised that frustration would manifest in a rather acerbic routine as a result.
I'd also note that from what I've read, Wolf also had a couple zingers towards the Democrats/MSNBC/CNN, too, so it's not exactly like they escaped unscathed.
Some people over the years have said that the Democrats are too nice at times in political arguements, campaigns etc.Calling out Michelle Wolf says the following: "Most political issues don't impact me. I care about civility above all else. This is really just sport to me. The thing that bothers me most about political discourse is when people aren't polite to each other and say rude things. The fact that politics is, at its core, a battle of who gets what and who doesn't is completely lost on me and doesn't enter my head on a regular basis because I live a relatively comfortable life."
Fuck civility. We need politics to be not so civil. Civility covers up the brutality of a political system that destroys lives. Lives abroad AND lives at home.
Which couple was that?Also, can we retire this "elite" bullshit? This Koch-backed couple who were all sniffy about Wolf's speech are just the worst kind of disingenuous.
Yupit's not cruelly mocking them to their face, it's calling people, who should know better given their public position, out on their rank hypocrisy
I don’t even think we have to look past her to Trump. The woman herself is a shameless liar who knows full well what she is doing. Nobody is forcing her into this job, nobody is forcing her to repeat lies or stand there without qualms day after day. In fact she stepped into this role proudly. But if she is called a liar to her face though and looks sad about it that’s a step too far. The concern trolling is amazing. Maybe concentrate on how to get poor Sarah to evaluate her own life choices.
I know I never said she was unlikable. I like her.I remember a time when every post of support for HRC had to be qualified with “I know she’s unlikeable and possibly corrupt BUT ...”
Now she’s our sweet, wronged princess, made of glass, who might break if someone makes a mean joke.
Please.
I sort of understand why people don't like her on purely public personality grounds.
She is similar to how Al Gore was generally in public. They both had trouble when they often much warmer and funnier either one to one or a small group setting.
@AP: BREAKING: Contradicting president, Giuliani says Trump repaid Michael Cohen for $130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels.
Oops.
He was actually a top notch prosecutor for the Southern District of New York and did a lot of work towards bringing down the mob on the east coast.What kind of law did Mr Giuliani practice?
He was actually a top notch prosecutor for the Southern District of New York and did a lot of work towards bringing down the mob on the east coast.
Ironic, now.
Has Donald Trump ever told the truth ?
So every time he says NO COLLUSION, i think we can all agree there was collusion.
And obstruction.
And who knows what else
Guy's entire being is based on lying. Why would he stop now?Yeah I never understood his approach to this. He makes himself look so guilty, and tbh I never would’ve thought he could’ve been responsible for it at first.
The President of the United States acts like a two bit mobster because he is one, has always been one, and it was obvious to anyone who paid even the slightest of attention to what he did.
Yeah I never understood his approach to this. He makes himself look so guilty
My guess now is that he’s knee deep in Russian mob shit.