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What high priced veterans did the Mets trade away? Over the past 2 offseason they were very Yankee-esque in signing big free agent deals.

And there aren't many teams that would be willing to take on the contracts of the Yankees players, so it would be quite hard for them to get any good young players in return.
 
My comparison with the Mets was in regards to the contract signings - three years ago who did the Mets have (this is an honest question, I never followed baseball before last season)?

Do the Yankees have much in the way of prospects in their farm system? You never hear much about AAA- and AA-baseball up in Canada, we only have a couple teams here and they're all out west.
 
Dalton said:
Reports out today that Torre is going to keep his job.

Discuss.

He's only got one year left on his contract. It's obviously good for Torre because he's not going to quit with $7 million on the table, and it's good for the Yankees because they look good giving Torre another chance to get a championship, and if that doesn't happen, they can part ways mutually when the contract runs out, and nobody is technically "fired" (so Georgie doesn't look like he's doing things too hasty like he has in the past).

And it's good for the Red Sox... :wink:
 
Chizip said:
What high priced veterans did the Mets trade away? Over the past 2 offseason they were very Yankee-esque in signing big free agent deals.

slow down...

the mets are similar to the yankees in what they've done the past two seasons, yes. this is true. but not this yankee team... not the bronx zoo you see before you. the mets signings have been similar to the yankees of the mid 90's. the core of this mets team for now and the foreseeable future are david wright and jose reyes, home grown talent, with a slew of young pitching prospects waiting in the wings. they surrounded this young talent with the high priced vet's (although you could hardley call 27 year old carlos beltran a "vet")... much in the same way st. louis surrounded young stud albert pujols with big names like scott rolen, chris carpenter, mark mulder, jason isringhausen, etc.

both the mets and cardinals, and the red sox before them, have built a team. the yankees just collect talent.
 
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Headache in a Suitcase said:
Make your predictions known... DO IT!! DO IT NOW!!!

[beginseriouspicks]
ALDS
Yankees over Tigers in 3
Twins over A's in 4

NLDS
Mets over Dodgers in 4
Cardinals over Padres in 5

ALCS
Yankees over Twins in 6

NLCS
Mets over Cardinals in 6
[/endseriouspicks]

[beginwishfulthinking]
World Series
Mets over Yankees in 7
[/endwishfulthinking]

alright so i was on with the NL, off with the AL...

:shrug: the AL was a bit more surprising... not a shock that the a's won, a bit surprising that the twins just rolled over... the yankees-tigers, well... that's just too good to even discuss anymore. :happy:

the NL was easy enough... anyone who's watched the NL all season could have seen that the NL West was dog shit with inflated records due to playing crappy teams like the rockies and diamondbacks.

at least in the East and Central ya had the phillies, marlins, astros and reds to give the mets and cards a tougher run of it.
 
Headache in a Suitcase said:


you're more than welcome to do whatever you'd like, of course... but you're not going to get many met fans to embrace someone who roots for the yankees, first. you may have been living in new york for 5 years, but if you believe that would happen, you must have been living under a rock.

met fans have as much dislike and hatred for the yankees as red sox fans do.

well... maybe not that much :wink:

but it's close

It all depends on how seriously you care about baseball... I'm more of a very "casual" fan...

Ok, if I buy a Mets cap, will you allow me to bandwagon? :wink:

(offtopic, congrats on the U2 by U2 signing experience, very impressed... I am buying the book today).
 
im just glad the mets have a normal ballpark

roof + hill and flag pole in center field + choo choo train + cheap 200 ft fence in left field + buzzing noises after every hit = most annoying baseball games ever
 
Chizip said:
im just glad the mets have a normal ballpark

roof + hill and flag pole in center field + choo choo train + cheap 200 ft fence in left field + buzzing noises after every hit = most annoying baseball games ever

we just have plane exhaust, cheesey apples and bad hair piece beer guy

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Headache in a Suitcase said:


slow down...

the mets are similar to the yankees in what they've done the past two seasons, yes. this is true. but not this yankee team... not the bronx zoo you see before you. the mets signings have been similar to the yankees of the mid 90's. the core of this mets team for now and the foreseeable future are david wright and jose reyes, home grown talent, with a slew of young pitching prospects waiting in the wings. they surrounded this young talent with the high priced vet's (although you could hardley call 27 year old carlos beltran a "vet")... much in the same way st. louis surrounded young stud albert pujols with big names like scott rolen, chris carpenter, mark mulder, jason isringhausen, etc.

both the mets and cardinals, and the red sox before them, have built a team. the yankees just collect talent.
Very valid points. While the Mets have certainly been big shoppers the past 2 offseasons, they've also developed from within at the same time. Reyes and Wright are simlar to Jeter and B Williams a decade ago, Milledge may end up a quality major leaguer (or he may be found naked, duct taped to the foul pole and a basket case who never plays again), and the Mets have some very good pitching prospects, as evidenced by their ability to continue to dominate the NL while Pedro fell apart and Glavine missed time and now easily ovecame 87 year old El Duque's fall at the nursing home on the way to practice in the NLDS.

The Mets appear set for a run of success for several seasons, one major issue being will Pedro ever return, if not they need to fill that void, but the rest of the team should be in reasonable shape for a few seasons.
 
Bob Wojnowski

Tigers suddenly are favorites



The question began changing almost before the final champagne drop dried. At the risk of sounding greedy and giddy and pompous, it's time to view these Tigers through an entirely different prism.

Outdated question: Can they?

Updated question: Will they?

This is where it shifts, starting now, from the improbable to the oh-so-possible. The Tigers have proven they can beat anybody after vanquishing baseball's alleged biggest somebody, the Yankees. When the Tigers open the American League Championship Series tonight in Oakland, they'll rightly be favored to advance. Not to pile unnecessary pressure on the warmest, fuzziest story in baseball, I'd even suggest the Tigers just became co-favorites with the New York Mets to win the World Series.

Pause. Blink, blink.

That sentence hasn't been typed in nearly two decades, so it might take a moment for the blur to clear. But it's real, because in their first test of authenticity, the Tigers easily passed.

Pitching and passion

Pitching wins and passion pushes and the Tigers are loaded with both. Judging by the frenzied atmosphere in Comerica Park over the weekend, they now might have the most-intimidating home field in baseball. Listening to all the experts on ESPN pick the Tigers to oust the A's, it's fair to wonder how a perception could shift this suddenly. (Note: Every expert in the Western Hemisphere picked the Yankees to flick aside the Tigers, so beware).

There's no sense hiding it anymore, no need for the Tigers to apologize anymore for failing to win their division. As long as their heads stay level and their bubbly hangover doesn't last, they know they have a great shot to turn a terrific story into an historic one.

"This is a different feeling, a different group of guys," pitcher Jeremy Bonderman said. "We have a special, special thing going on here and we're just going to try and ride it."

It does have that rare feel. But you know what? The A's have the same feel right now, and so do the Mets and Cardinals.

Cockiness doesn't befit the Tigers, a true team, and it better not grab them now because the A's possess many of the Tigers' qualities -- pitching depth, scrappy lineup, churning motivation. The A's Game 1 starter, Barry Zito, silenced the Tigers with a 1.29 ERA this season, so the warning is issued.

Strong identity

As long as Jim Leyland is managing, it's hard to imagine the Tigers forgetting who they are. As long as Kenny Rogers and Justin Verlander and Bonderman and Todd Jones and Joel Zumaya are pitching, it's hard to see the Tigers falling apart.

Shortly after the defiling of the Yankees was complete, I asked GM Dave Dombrowski if he was remotely surprised by the domination. The quick firmness of his response was enlightening.

"No," he said. "When we pitch well, we can play with anybody."

Actually, the Tigers have said that all year. Now everyone's listening, and more are believing.

But you'll have to excuse the A's if they enjoy their own story just as much. This is one of those low-payroll teams that always loses stars but survives with shrewd scouting, a good manager, Ken Macha, and solid, fundamental baseball. Even Zito is likely to leave as a free agent after the season. The A's did pick up a 38-year-old star on the downside, Frank Thomas, who has been tremendous, but there aren't many other scary hitters in their lineup.

Maybe that's not a good thing for the Tigers. The A's finished next-to-last in the AL with a .260 batting average but their 4.21 ERA was fourth, behind the Tigers' top-rated 3.84. You look at the A's, you see elements of the Tigers. You listen to the A's, you hear elements of the Tigers.

From Oakland relief ace Huston Street: "We thrive on chemistry. Every man is pulling for the next guy."

From third baseman Eric Chavez: "This is one of the least-talented teams I have ever been on and participated in the playoffs. But we have a bunch of hard-nosed baseball players who love to play the game, and it's really showed."

It sure did during Oakland's sweep of Minnesota. As weak as the A's might look, to themselves and others, they play with a spirit embodied by cult-figure shortstop Marco Scutaro, the feisty star against the Twins.

Oakland has collected pieces and parts from everywhere, just like Detroit. So while the poor-little-Tigers angle played well against the Yankees, it won't play now. Besides, these Tigers always were more talented than given credit for. Pudge Rodriguez, Magglio Ordonez and Rogers are All-Stars, with several more on the brink.

It's all even

We know now talk of the Yankees thoroughly outclassing the Tigers was ridiculous. We should also know, talk of the Tigers thoroughly outclassing the A's is equally ridiculous.

"They're a very good team," Tigers center fielder Curtis Granderson said. "We have to respect them as much as we did the Yankees. They can hit and they can pitch. It's going to be a very tough series."

Make no mistake, everything is changing now. Instead of being the spunky team that could, the Tigers are transforming into the confident team that should.

It's funny, but getting swept by the Royals the final weekend of the regular season and blowing the best-record-in-baseball tag might have helped the Tigers, who realized they let up too soon. When a team recovers from that, you figure it has a whole new appreciation for where it is.

"You have to go through these things and learn how to handle winning and losing," Leyland said. "You have to learn how to get through a playoff game and a pennant race, it just doesn't happen. This is all a process. We grew up in a hurry. We passed a few tests, and hopefully we can continue."

It begins anew tonight with lefty Nate Robertson, another of those Tigers poised to find his moment. After that wonderful weekend celebration in Detroit, the story and the questions are shifting now. That's just the way it works, fortunately and unfortunately. When you become a big deal all of a sudden, you have to play the role, ready or not

http://detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061010/SPORTS08/610100302
 
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