Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The people's voice on gay marriage
while BVS can certainly speak for himself, you've missed the point: civil rights are not up for a "majority rules" kind of vote. it is the responsibility of any society to ensure that the rights of a minority are not subject to the whims of a majority.
its not the suffrage and gay marriage are equal violations of human rights; it's that they are both examples of where the majority of the population would not have supported either measure if either suffrage or interracial marriage or gay marriage were left up to the whims of the voters. it would have taken much, much longer for black votes and female votes and black-white marriages if not for those "activist judges."
shrmn8rpoptart said:
the thing of it is...gays and supporters of gay marraige can vote. no one is denying them suffrage.
the argument you make sounds nice, but you're discussing two different things. in the case of blacks and women, they were not even given the ability to vote one way or the other. they were completely prevented from giving any truly meaningful input aside from trying to sway voters using their freedoms of speech, assembly, and petition (if those were actually enforced).
however, as gays and their supporters ARE afforded the right to vote, along with the freedoms of speech, assembly, and petition.
so, please, let's not make anymore false comparisons.
and finally, i find it slightly ironic that the comparison is being made between gay marraige and women/minority suffrage, and your solution to the problem is simply to discount the votes of those you don't agree with.
it seems that in most human interaction, we cannot assert our own rights without at the same time denying the rights of others. maybe that's the way it's meant to be. maybe all human life is just an intricate system of compromises. and if it is, we should start owning up to it instead of complaining about it.
while BVS can certainly speak for himself, you've missed the point: civil rights are not up for a "majority rules" kind of vote. it is the responsibility of any society to ensure that the rights of a minority are not subject to the whims of a majority.
its not the suffrage and gay marriage are equal violations of human rights; it's that they are both examples of where the majority of the population would not have supported either measure if either suffrage or interracial marriage or gay marriage were left up to the whims of the voters. it would have taken much, much longer for black votes and female votes and black-white marriages if not for those "activist judges."