Heartland and Hawkmoon. Two reasons why nobody should ever bag out R&H. Love those songs. Reminds me I need to create a studio only version of R&H for my iPod. The 'live' songs on R&H do nothing for me. Disjointed and fudged in the studio (esp. Watchtower) I wish they were al by themselves instead of scattered as they are.Axver said:
If JT had Heartland, it would probably be my favourite album ever rather than UF.
AndrewCowley said:With all this talk of old style A and B sides (ala vinyl) it raises the question for Zooropa and beyond do we even know where the separation is? I think for AB the A side ends at So Cruel. But for Zooropa and beyond I wouldn't have a clue. Does there exist vinyl versions of any of these albums?
AndrewCowley said:
Heartland and Hawkmoon. Two reasons why nobody should ever bag out R&H. Love those songs. Reminds me I need to create a studio only version of R&H for my iPod. The 'live' songs on R&H do nothing for me. Disjointed and fudged in the studio (esp. Watchtower) I wish they were al by themselves instead of scattered as they are.
timothius said:
After consoulting my Vinyl box...
Pop was a 2LP set.
D1S1 Disco -> Mofo
D1S2 If God -> Last Night
D2S1 Gone -> Playboy
D2S2 Velvet -> Wake Up
Wow. So there's 3 songs on each side? How wierd. Would it have fitted on a single LP or not? If not then I guess it makes sense to spread things out like this.timothius said:
After consoulting my Vinyl box...
Pop was a 2LP set.
D1S1 Disco -> Mofo
D1S2 If God -> Last Night
D2S1 Gone -> Playboy
D2S2 Velvet -> Wake Up
Axver said:
What particularly annoys me about the RAH cover of Watchtower is that it gives people totally the wrong impression of U2's cover of the song. The Lovetown versions are mindblowing and should be the version that people know, not this JT Tour interloper!
bgmckinney said:Altough I'm not familiar with the song's history - was it changed in the studio?
Axver said:
Put it this way: calling it a live version is like calling AIWIY "With Or Without You". Sure, they share similarities, but ...
AndrewCowley said:
Wow. So there's 3 songs on each side? How wierd. Would it have fitted on a single LP or not? If not then I guess it makes sense to spread things out like this.
Going back to the talk earlier of the mixing on U2's CDs often being below par, are the vinyl versions any better? AB for instance (whilst I love the songs) sounds muddy and distant on CD. It lacks clarity. Is it any better on vinyl?
bgmckinney said:
Do tell.
Comparing the R&H Watchtower to the original version as per a bootleg I have they are very different. I reckon a lot of Edge's guitar parts were re-recorded and inserted into R&H version; his playing in the R&H version just sounds different.bgmckinney said:
Here I am taking the contrary position again - you must think I do this on purpose, but I don't . I prefer the R&H watchtower to the also awesome lovetown ones.
Altough I'm not familiar with the song's history - was it changed in the studio?
Axver said:
Oh, what I said was probably a bit extreme, but I thought it sounded funny.
Watchtower is SERIOUSLY touched up in the studio. Vocals, guitar overdubs, you name it.
The funniest part for me is the movie, with Bono's "rock and roll stops the traffic" grafitting cut into Watchtower. It's so obvious that it wasn't done during that song and I don't even know why they tried to force it in there. Watchtower was the first song of the set; the grafitti was done during the last song, Pride.
AndrewCowley said:
Comparing the R&H Watchtower to the original version as per a bootleg I have they are very different. I reckon a lot of Edge's guitar parts were re-recorded and inserted into R&H version; his playing in the R&H version just sounds different.
Also there's some extra adlibbing by Bono prior during the "all I've got is this red guitar..." part that is edited out on the R&H version.
For me once I know Edge's guitar parts have been interfered with in the studio I have a very hard time accepting any song as being truly live. Watchtower on R&H falls into this category.bgmckinney said:
I can hear what you mean about guitar overdubs, but that's about it. I've heard audience boots of most of the other R&H performances and they sound exactly the same as they did in the film - don't know why watchtower should be too different.
Axver said:It seems to me that Watchtower was touched up a fair bit more than the others. Then again, that was an impromptu concert and it was the first performance of Watchtower since 1981 (and only the second time U2 had covered it ever). The other shows were well-planned and the songs had been done live multiple times before with extensive soundchecking. So I can see why Watchtower would have required more work in the studio than any of the others.
What I think is a huge tragedy is that Mothers Of The Disappeared missed out on making RAH. The bootlegged RAH Rough Cut features an absolutely gorgeous performance of the song from Tempe.
They should have ditched the idea of the film being part doco since that's where it fails and just made a regular concert video not intended for the cinema. Ditch the scant doco stuff and add a few extra songs. Although having said that I adore the Heartland section of the movie.Originally posted by Axver What I think is a huge tragedy is that Mothers Of The Disappeared missed out on making RAH. The bootlegged RAH Rough Cut features an absolutely gorgeous performance of the song from Tempe. [/B]
AndrewCowley said:
Two is Bono's voice. His voice on the R&H version is just so amazingly deep and I've never heard it that way on any other version.
bgmckinney said:
Point Depot 1-1-90 (or 12-31-89, same thing) sounds deeper to me.
As far as S&G goes, Axver, I love the play the blues comment.
Yes but that is 2 years later. Bono's Lovetown voice is pretty different to his JT voice. The version of Bullet on R&H seems out of step with every other JT tour version of R&H that I've heard.bgmckinney said:
Point Depot 1-1-90 (or 12-31-89, same thing) sounds deeper to me.
AndrewCowley said:
Yes but that is 2 years later. Bono's Lovetown voice is pretty different to his JT voice. The version of Bullet on R&H seems out of step with every other JT tour version of R&H that I've heard.
Peterrrrr said:Voice eras list
1986-06-15
ZooTV Tour
1995
Vertigo Tour
UF
JT
War
Lt
Popmart
October
Boy