Lila64
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I agree - she definitely should be in
lazarus said:Well, if Chic is acceptable because of their influence on dance culture and dance music, why not Madonna? Even if she spotted underground trends early instead of actually revolutionizing anything, I'd still argue that her songs have more depth to them than most pop music.
What the fuck did Michael Jackson do that was so great? You take away the videos and the dancing and I just see easily-digestible r&b for white people. He certainly isn't a great singer either. The actual musical output of Madonna is a hell of a lot better than what Jackson's career produced, even if she doesn't have a single album that's as revered as Thriller--I'd argue that Like a Prayer is just as good if not better.
And while something like writing and singing about sex might not seem like something that important, she certainly broke down barriers in pop music in that area. It's like discounting the impact that Elvis had--a performer that I'll point out wrote a much smaller fraction of his material than Madonna (who at co-wrote almost every song on every album), and aside from a handful of songs didn't play an instrument either.
Madonna's just an easy target because so much of her career was because of her brilliance at promoting herself and changing her image as her tastes evolved. But the testament is on the albums themselves, which represent nearly the peak of what pop music had to offer in every one of those years, save for the last couple releases. She's a first balloter if there ever was one.
Originally posted by Axver
I'll threaten to set the All Blacks upon you. How about that? I can't say I'd want to get crushed under that rather intimidating forward pack.
LemonMacPhisto said:Beasties
Cohen
Madonna
Chic
Afrika Bambaata
What has John Mellencamp done in the past 20 years worth noticing other than make the single worst commercial song of all-time.
Who's country is this?
LemonMacPhisto said:That's what makes the Hall of Fame a good idea in theory, but a terrible idea in practice.
How do you determine who gets in? By personal taste, commercial success, relevance, or a combination of both?
I dunno, I just don't want to see 20 years from now that Nickelback is a first ballot Hall-of-Famer because of a steady body of work and sales and radio success.
5 bucks Pete Rose won't be in the Baseball HOF by then either.
BonoVoxSupastar said:I did google it, and all I got was the Monkees claiming he vetoed their induction and then found this:
"Wenner did not return a call for comment. But a Rolling Stone rep and Rock and Roll Hall of Fame president Joel Peresman both denied Tork's charges, insisting Wenner had no influence on the voting committee and no power to veto who got in. They suggested Tork's beef was a stab at getting free publicity for his new record. That said, The Monkees have never been nominated."
So I don't know. I found no proof he could veto.
Any links?
BonoVoxSupastar said:Yeah so far Fox News is the only source that has "confirmed" anything about veto power, so we'll see.
They aren't the highest on the list of reliable news sources.
rushu2 said:
And when you couple that with the lack of Hard Rock and Progressive bands in the RH, you have to wonder what exactly is going on.
rushu2 said:^
Quoting a major news source and citing evidence of a lack of artists in certain categories is not a conspiracy theory. Its also not a 500 person voting jury - its only a 50 person voting jury, who are for the most part all former employees of this "Jann Wenner".
Some 500 musicians, industry professionals and journalists vote on the inductions.
rushu2 said:^
Your right it is a 500 member voting jury. I was wrong about that, but it is a much smaller nominating jury (made up for the most part of Jann Wenner's former employees, associates, etc.) that nominates who this 500 member jury votes on.
rushu2 said:^
Further, Progressive rock was a very viable type of music back in the 1970's. Genesis, Yes, Rush, ELP, Jethro Tull sold tons of records back then and still have an influence on popular, high volume selling modern bands like Tool.
And its not just Prog but many hard rock bands too.
Um, yeah, that's not really how it works... Don't get me wrong, I don't think you are totally making it up, I just like sources before conspiracy theories.rushu2 said:^
Also, Jann Wenner said something along the lines that Rush would never get into the rock and roll hall of fame on his watch because they give him a headache! I can't find a source for that right now because I am at work. You'll just have to trust me.
MrPryck2U said:
John Mellencamp DEFINITELY deserves to be in the Rock and Roll HOF! Your ignorance of the man is really showing. I strongly suggest you look up his career.
Screwtape2 said:Don't forget that people like Kate Bush and Peter Gabriel who are without a doubt two of the most influential artists of thier time and both border on prog. Without Kate Bush there would be no Tori Amos, Aimee Mann, Fiona Apple and so on.