Where did you hear about this, Infinitum? A quick google search reveals absolutely nothing on the subject.
Canadiens1160 said:Don't kid yourself, Infinitum. If a cow ever got the chance, he'd eat you and everyone you care about.
Diemen said:Where did you hear about this, Infinitum? A quick google search reveals absolutely nothing on the subject.
Infinitum98 said:I've seen pictures of cows and other animals who are kept in small boxes so they can't even turn around, given no food and so they end up eating their own manure, I just don't see how people can be this cruel. And no, this one is not a rumor, i'm sure of it.
Infinitum98 said:
You are right, I just searched for it also but couldn't find it. So it does seem like a rumor, and I really hope it is. But nevertheless, cows and other animals are mistreated while being raised.
I've seen pictures of cows and other animals who are kept in small boxes so they can't even turn around, given no food and so they end up eating their own manure, I just don't see how people can be this cruel. And no, this one is not a rumor, i'm sure of it.
martha said:
Yes, these kinds of things are true. But if you want to be taken seriously, you need to make sure what you post is actually true.
hawkman said:
If they can't turn around how can they eat their own manure ?
If the suppliers want to maximize yields they will feed their animals.
Sounds like PETA nonsense again to me.
Veal Piccatta......yum!
Infinitum98 said:One thing that I have never understood is how people can be criminally punished for cruetly towards cats, dogs and other household pets while cruelty to cows, pigs, chickens and other meat producing animals is completely okay.
Infinitum98 said:
Ohh you are vegetarian? Thats awesome. Are you one for health reasons or moral reasons. Anyways, thats great to hear.
Infinitum98 said:One thing that I have never understood is how people can be criminally punished for cruetly towards cats, dogs and other household pets while cruelty to cows, pigs, chickens and other meat producing animals is completely okay.
unico said:
Well actually, for moral reasons. But more for humans than for animals. I don't support the meat-packing industry. I don't approve of the working conditions, and of the harsh treatment the workers are forced to endure.
unico said:
Don't get me wrong though, I don't like treating animals like shit either. But at the same time, it is difficult to be completely animal-free. For example, unfortunately, the best paint brushes are the ones that use animal hair. Synthetic brushes suck ass.
hawkman said:
Are you aware those animals (pigs, cows etc) are bred, paid for and raised at someone elses expense for one purpose only and not so you can go down to Petco and pick one out for you to take on walks around the neighborhood ?
hawkman said:
No one keeps the workers in the plants against their will as "forced to endure" might imply
Infinitum98 said:
Does it matter? Aren't those pigs, cows, etc. animals too? What if I was cruel to my dog by not feeding it or by cutting off tips of its ear and tail (which happens to meat animals) or letting it live in filth and disease? Why would I be criminally punished for doing these things when I "own" the dog and paid for it fair in square? If I ever cut a piece of my dogs ear or tail off in order to mark that it is my dog, everyone would think I am a psycho and a horrible person, but these kind of things happen to meat animals every single day with no regulation.
It doesn't matter if a pet owner or a meat producer is buying dogs, cats, pigs, cows, chickens or whatever. They are all animals and should all be treated in a humane way. At this point I am not even arguing whether it is moral to eat meat or not, I am just saying that if you are going to produce meat, at least prevent let the animals from suffering in their life before they are killed.
samralf said:
I take it you have never heard of a puppy mill. Do some research on puppy mills. Lots of people treat their dogs that way.
hawkman said:
Veal Piccatta......yum!
Irvine511 said:
okay, you know what? i eat meat. i enjoy it. i don't have a problem with using animals for food. i think people are different than animals, so i don't think it's immoral or wrong or anything. there are many aspects to the meat industry which are contemptible, so it's incumbent upon us as consumers of meat to purchase the most ethical meat we can. if that means pay a few more dollars for free range chickens or cows that were fed a vegetarian diet, so be it.
but what is totally unhelpful is mocking vegetarians. mock bad information or propaganda, but please understand that most vegetarians are operating from a place of compassion and talking about how delicious little animals are isn't going to get you anywhere and it will just make the vegetarian that much more convinced that meat eaters are simply cruel.
my sister is a very intense vegetarian. to the point where it makes meals with her almost unpleasant. there's some respect that she needs to work on, but the absolute worst thing i could do would be to tell her about how much i loved to eat baby animals and just how delicious that beautiful fish is going to taste once i've gutted it and sliced off its pointy fish head.
a little respect on both sides goes a long way, especially on an issue like this. i think it's inarguable that being a vegetarian is good for the planet, and that it is an act of compassion to choose to not eat animals. however, a vegetarian should also realize that humans eat meat, they have always eaten meat, and there are some health risks incurred whene one chooses not to eat meat, and that animals and people are different.
if you don't want to be a vegetarian, that's perfectly fine. but mocking people who are vegetarian is just about the worst way to go about it.
Infinitum98 said:
Does it matter? Aren't those pigs, cows, etc. animals too?
unico said:
those jobs prevent them from taking breaks. those jobs prevent them from receiving necessary medical treatment.
and for some people, those are the only jobs available in the area. just by saying "well they don't have to work there" isn't holding the meat packing industry accountable.
Irvine511 said:
okay, you know what? i eat meat. i enjoy it.
hawkman said:
Of course it matters, they wouldn't exist at all if it weren't for the consumer demand they die
hawkman said:
like I said, Veal Piccatta, Yum.
hawkman said:
Of course it matters, they wouldn't exist at all if it weren't for the consumer demand they die
Infinitum98 said:By the way, I just looked it up and a vegetarian diet lowers the risk of: Colon Cancer, High Blood Cholestoral, High Blood Pressure, Prostate Cancer and Stroke.
At the same time vegetarians and vegans must be aware of their food intake and should have a properly balanced diet or else they get reduced levels of calcium, iodine, vitamins B12 and D.
So I think a properly managed vegetarian diet is a healthy one.