Originally posted by RavenStar:
you are correct
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
You still didnt answer my question:
Youre aversion to murder has more to do with your wish to not go to jail than on any moral basis??
If thats the case there's a million ways to kill without getting caught, what stops you?
Im an atheistic satanist. We view satan as a symbol of the carnal and natural side of human nature as noted in the nine satanic statements. We are our own god, creating our own good and evil. We dont harm children. No animal sacrifices. Children and animals are important to satanist because they accept their natural side the most.
Originally posted by gabrielvox:
You still didnt answer my question:
Youre aversion to murder has more to do with your wish to not go to jail than on any moral basis??
If thats the case there's a million ways to kill without getting caught, what stops you?
Im an atheistic satanist. We view satan as a symbol of the carnal and natural side of human nature as noted in the nine satanic statements. We are our own god, creating our own good and evil. We dont harm children. No animal sacrifices. Children and animals are important to satanist because they accept their natural side the most.
Originally posted by Spiral_Staircase:
If you really hold to the tenets of Satanism put forth here, if someone is in your lair (i'm not totally sure what constitutes a lair) and they annoy you, not only can you treat them without mercy, but you should treat them without mercy. I would say that stopping short of killing someone is probably showing them mercy, and not being as cruel as possible. Why not add another skull to your pyramid? The only reason is that you could be prosecuted by the law. But if you can get away with it, everything in Satanism says go ahead and kill the person for annoying you.
Originally posted by RavenStar:
XI When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
Why are you using Rono's phrase?Originally posted by diamond:
Read you.
Originally posted by 80sU2isBest:
Why are you using Rono's phrase?Originally posted by diamond:
Read you.
Originally posted by RavenStar:
read you?
Originally posted by RavenStar:
bubba, first of all, keep in mind that the 21 satanic points are from the ONA, which is a fundamentalist satanic group. I am a modern satanist. I do agree with most of the points though just in a different way than other satanist might. Most of modern Satanism is all about symbolism and metephors. I also do not believe in souls so losing something I dont think exists has no effect what so ever on me.
Originally posted by babble:
For instance you say that you would gain nothing from helping an enemy and therefore I gather that you would not help this person, this enemy, even if their life depended upon your aid. Therefore, one naturally wonders what the definition of an enemy would be, someone who's life,according to Satanism, is apparantly not worth saving. Would an enemy be someone who has tried to actually kill you or a friend or family, or could an enemy be someone that you find obnoxious or that has lied to you? You see, enemy is quite an ambiguous word that could be applied to someone who has committed a wide spectrum of offenses.
Then another point that has been brought up is to what extent "no mercy" is applied. No mercy until the death of the offender? And what would that person have to do to offend to the point of being offered no mercy? This term "no mercy" is also quite ambiguous.
Also you pointed out that if the person offends you and you tell them to stop but they continue then you follow rule 11 and "destroy" him/her. By destroy do you mean kill (as that is what usually comes to mind when the word destroy is mentioned) and if so does that mean Satanism advocates murder? You must admit many of these things do sound very controversial. The key seems to be in the interpretation.
Also I might point out that rule 11 appears to have nothing to do with someone offending you in your lair but if someone bothers you out in open territory. And what does it mean by "bother" anyway?
You see, the Satanist points and rules are choke-full of very ambiguous terms and words that appear to reap very dire consequences and it seems to me to be vital to understand what these things mean. So my question is how do you, Ravenstar, interpret "enemy" and "no mercy" and "destroy" and even "bother"? How do you define these terms according to your religion? Are there official interpretations?