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600,000 in 2002 sounds like a dud to me. Also you can not compare Wilco to u2 on scale.
I came across an article about people who were "happy" to have been fired. This is the comment about the band Wilco:
I quoted this because, per that last sentence, the album was a "commercial success" selling CLOSE to 600K albums.
NLOTH will have sold more than that in two weeks. Yet, some "fans" are claiming how much of a flop NLOTH is. Yet when Wilco sells shy of 600K, it's a commercial success.
Are people setting the bar way too high for U2? Remeber, per Billboard, even JT was the third best selling album of 1987 (admittedly, using the "old" system). Or are people not fully realizing that we are in a different market? Sure, one or two albums may really break out (I expect the upcoming Eminem album to be one), but those are true exceptions. Other top sellers will be between 1-2.5M (in the U.S.). Until something changes, gone are the days of an album going 2x Platinum in weeks (like HTDAAB did).
600,000 in 2002 sounds like a dud to me. Also you can not compare Wilco to u2 on scale.
My point is that this article, right or wrong, considered that a commercial success.
U2 sells over that in 2 weeks, and it's a flop.
If Im not mistaken, HTDAAB went triple(3x) platinum in 4 weeks. Granted the time of year but regardless, thats pretty amazing.
I still keep my high expectations to see you going out of here...talk about lowering expectations...
talk about lowering expectations...
Mothers day, people like ronan keating are a dead cert for #1 if they release an album during mothers day, also annie lennox would be up there,
i keep forgetting KOL won album of the year at the brits, that probably whats keeping that going, the awards are maybe to far away to help NLOTH though,
Per hits, 2nd week in the USA was at 124,000, which is a drop of nearly 75%. That is a massive drop, one that is really startling.
Yes, that is a big drop. But...
I recall back in '97, I would state that, on average, the #10 album would have sales close to 100K (in some weeks, it would dip to 80K). The #20 album would have sales of 50K on average and the #50 album would have sales of 20K on average. And this was in the March-May timeframe when "Pop" was released.
Look at HITS now. #10 has sales of just 27K (not 100K). The #20 album has sales of #17K and the #50 album has sales of just 10K.
So while NLOTH may see some additional drops, any type of hit song will most likely keep the album stable between 10-30K (spikes will occur for various reasons) for a while, meaning it should linger in the Top 50 for a while, despite soft sales. I'm sure Clarkson will see the same.
It's a shame to see music sales drop this low.
But I also see the economy at work here. Even big movies are dropping huge in their second weeks. People are hesitant to spend.
You scoffed when I predicted it would sell 150k in week 2. I think it has a lot to do with U2 and not just the external factors. U2 are old. Unless they can convince people otherwise with a top 40-type hit, only the hardcore fans are going to buy NLOTH - which means it will continue to drop rapidly. Other bands around their age (R.E.M., The Cure, Depeche Mode) see similar chart trends. They don't get much (if any) mainstream airplay anymore, so after the hardcore fans scoop up the album in the first couple weeks, there's no one left to buy it. Kelly Clarkson will not drop 75% next week because her songs are all over the radio, gaining new fans.
I think this quote from hits says it all really, but yes everyone carry on blaming U2 saying how poor it is etc etc, even though its obviously an industry wide problem and not just a U2 problem:
"Last week’s chart-topper, U2’s Interscope album, No Line on the Horizon, dipped to 125k, good for #3, giving the Top 10 a trio of six-figure sales albums for the first time this year."
so this is the first time THIS YEAR that the whole chart has had 3 groups selling more than 100k.
U2 are nowhere near REM or the Cure's level of popularity, they're still twenty times bigger. New U2 is actually something that gets attention, new Cure or REM just means a tour for most people. Although a couple more albums with NLOTH reception and they'd be in a similar place
I'm not sure understand your point 100%. What does the 3 albums in the same week selling over 100,000 have anything to do with what we're discussing?
If you look at how albums sell, even in today's climate, a 75% drop is an EXTRAORDINARILY high figure. It wouldn't matter if it sold 1 millon, then dropped to 250,000. That sort of drop off shows the consumer has a lack of interest in the product U2 are putting out right now. As a U2 fan, I find that interesting and concerning.
Ok, last week U2 sold over DOUBLE of what Kelly Clarkson sold in her first week, now say the "hardcore" U2 fans bought it the first week, surley that would mean the second week the more "causal" U2 fans will be picking it up? i mean its highly unlikely we will see it run at 125k for the next few weeks, but whose to say it wont stabalise?, meaning it would be pretty much doing average on the charts.
i mean can we even talk about "patterns" yet? the albums only been out 2 weeks, and we only have 2 sets of chart data to compare against.
Ok, now I see what you're saying.
It very well could stabilize. It certainly won't drop another 75%.
But I think you can already start talking about patterns, because, in a lot of ways, the second week of sales is more telling than the first. It shows word of mouth, interest that the more casual fan is showing, etc..
It's much more telling of an album's long term prospects, barring a resurgence by a huge hit.
From here on out, it should drop, I don't know, 20-30% per week?
You scoffed when I predicted it would sell 150k in week 2. I think it has a lot to do with U2 and not just the external factors. U2 are old. Unless they can convince people otherwise with a top 40-type hit, only the hardcore fans are going to buy NLOTH - which means it will continue to drop rapidly. Other bands around their age (R.E.M., The Cure, Depeche Mode) see similar chart trends. They don't get much (if any) mainstream airplay anymore, so after the hardcore fans scoop up the album in the first couple weeks, there's no one left to buy it. Kelly Clarkson will not drop 75% next week because her songs are all over the radio, gaining new fans.