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Similar rating so far as the new album from the Boss received....and Boss is universally liked :)
But I can't stand the new Lp from Bruce so what does that tell me? :)

i reckon new boss record sucks, its probably his worst and rolling stone gave it 5 stars as well.
 
^ That's true and it's actually bad news for U2, because, unlike NLOTH, the new Springsteen album really isn't great, and I love Bruce.
 
U2: No Line On The Horizon (2009): Reviews

71 out of 100 at metacritic, not bad.
just wonder if rate based on the 14 reviews is final mark or will add some more reviews? hopefully more positive....

If they don't add more reviews for such an important band and album well then that won't really make for a fair and balanced result. They seem to have included most of the big negative ones but Q should definitely be there too. ONly 14 reviews so far. Bomb was based on 26 reviews although ATYCLB was only based on 17.
 
PASTE Magazine (destined for Metacritic) = 62 out of 100 :| ***I'm sick of all the neutral scores coming in lately, especially from big publication companies***:angry:

U2: No Line on the Horizon :: Music Reviews :: Articles :: Paste

Irish metastars bare their knuckles for an album-length brawl with belief, Big Themes, back catalog


With each passing studio release (and there have now been a dozen of them over the course of a three-decade career), U2 has increasingly had to address a nagging question from its massive worldwide fanbase: Which U2 will show up this time? Will it be a return to the cockeyed spirituality of The Joshua Tree? A detour into beats and burbles like Achtung Baby or its inferior, more experimental cousin, Pop? A “back to basics” gambit such as All that You Can’t Leave Behind? Herein lies the Problem of Being U2: It’s more challenging to ask fans to meet you where you are when they bring the baggage of having met you all the places you were over the course of 30 years’ worth of work. This gets in the way of appreciating No Line on the Horizon for what it is: a well-crafted, classically-sturdy rock album with a modicum of invention and a good deal of familiar-sounding material that will appeal to the faithful but not ask much more of them than to simply pay attention to musical cues recalling milestones throughout the band’s considerable history.

A couple of tracks represent real grabbers that sit easily alongside U2’s best work: “Magnificent” is just that, a stately melody that could easily have been on War and rises just as high to the occasion; “Unknown Caller,” offers a bit of Joshua Tree-style soulsearching; “Get On Your Boots,” the album’s first single, combines a weirdly catchy amalgam of Elvis Costello cadence and Queen-like pomp. But other cuts sink under the weight of their ambition. “Stand Up Comedy” aspires to “meaningful” but delivers “mealy-mouthed,” and faux-beat poetry drags “Breathe” down a long, dark alley. Elsewhere, “Moment of Surrender,” presents little more than a sleepy, gospel-tinged track that comes on like a Rattle and Hum outtake. On balance, No Line on the Horizon represents what October did all those years ago: a decent step forward that nevertheless recalls the past more clearly than it spells out the future.
 
100 : Q, Rolling Stone, Blender, People (4/4), USA Today (4/4), Globe & Mail (Can, 4/4)
91 : Entertainment Weekly (A-/91)
90 : The Sun, Glide mag
84 : Patrol mag
80 : Sunday Observer, Hot Press, Irish Times, Mojo, Uncut, Sunday Times, Daily Mail, Nuts, Sputnik, Sunday Express
75 : LA Times (3/4)
70 : Entertainment.ie, Jamcanoe.com, IGN.com (7/10), NME (7/10), Spin, The Age.com.au
62 : Paste
60 : The Times, Zoo, Daily Express, Daily Mirror, The Guardian, Popmatters, Scotland On Sunday
50 : Drowned In Sound (5/10), ChartAttack, Dotmusic
40 : London Lite, Mail On Sunday
42 : Pitchfork
33 : Time Out Sydney (2/6)

Average score from 42 reviews = 72
 
What do all you think about the Metacritic talley?? Bomb is apparently going to do better. Personally I think this is U2's best album of the 00's. I think it just goes to show critics can't be trusted hahaha. Seriously, it's good to have an objective view on how an album is recieved, but I'll be shocked if BOMB AND ATYCLB do indeed better than NLOTH, given so many here are haters.

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Metacritic is the average of all reviews, so that's about as objective as you can get. You can't fault metacritic for whatever score NLOTH ends up with, because they're not the ones critiquing the album.
 
Metacritic is the average of all reviews, so that's about as objective as you can get. You can't fault metacritic for whatever score NLOTH ends up with, because they're not the ones critiquing the album.

They do choose which reviews to include, however. If you think think that the reviews they are including are not representative of the reviews the album got overall then it's perfectly fair to criticize MetaCritic.
 
What do all you think about the Metacritic talley?? Bomb is apparently going to do better. Personally I think this is U2's best album of the 00's. I think it just goes to show critics can't be trusted hahaha. Seriously, it's good to have an objective view on how an album is recieved, but I'll be shocked if BOMB AND ATYCLB do indeed better than NLOTH, given so many here are haters.

:wave:

I agree. I enjoy HTDAAB and love ATYCLB but NLOTH beats both of them, easily. I wish it had more "universal acclaim." Oh well.

I know Q hasn't been added, what other major reviews haven't been added yet? Are there any sources on Metacritic that haven't provided reviews yet?
 
They do choose which reviews to include, however. If you think think that the reviews they are including are not representative of the reviews the album got overall then it's perfectly fair to criticize MetaCritic.

Yes, but the fact that metacritic discerningly chooses which reviews to include makes them the website to go to. As opposed to Rottentomatoes, who lets everybody and their dead mothers review films and count them all, whether they've earned the right or not (by having the highest effect on society and music listeners).

People wouldn't be complaining about metacritic's choice in publications if the publications that weren't included were bad reviews - they'd be praising them and not questioning the score.

Personally, I still don't understand why more people here didn't foresee less than glowing reviews. I totally understand why this album is receiving a lesser score than Bomb, even if I think NLOTH is a better album. Yes, I'd love for the album to receive a higher average, but I'd also love for the album to be better than it is. And it is lower using the same exact critics they've always used, so in that respect metacritic's score remains as objective as possible, at least within itself (Bomb vs. NLOTH). It doesn't account for how a reviewer may change his mind over the years, just for how an album is initially received. Meaning: maybe a lot of people actually do think this album is better than Bomb - they just can't go back and repost a review on metacritic.
 
They do choose which reviews to include, however. If you think think that the reviews they are including are not representative of the reviews the album got overall then it's perfectly fair to criticize MetaCritic.

They include most respected major publications, which includes Q, so I'm pretty sure NLOTH will be getting another little boost when that's added. But after so many reviews, a score on one extreme end of the scale or the other really makes little difference to the average.
 
True, it's that 20% of those reviews are 3/5, keeping it from holding closer to 80 than 70.

Inevitable lukewarm reaction. U2 fatigue, I think.

Does it matter? No but it was all pretty predictable.
 
I'm In The Twilight Zone!!!!!!

Chicago music critic Jim Derogatis, one of the two radio talk show hosts on 'Sound Opinions', and usually an avid hater of all things U2 bar Achtung Baby, gave NLOTH a "BUY IT" rating out of: "trash it", "burn it", and "buy it." The other guy, Greg Kott, gave it a "burn it", which is also good considering they both gave HTDAAB a "trash it" and they would have a Bono-bashing segment every week during the Vertigo Tour.
 
As of this moment, this thread has over 16,000 hits. The thread promoting the 'professional' reviews by the U2 fans who help maintain this site has less than 100. This is what I just posted in the under-read thread:

Read what "the critics" say, and then say "damn what the critics say."

Why not read what the critics from your own posse say?

Just sayin'?!?!

Sorry to B-&%@#$

But CHECK OUT THE MAINPAGE!
 
The prefixmag review:
When No Line on the Horizon was still in the working stages, co-producer Daniel Lanois talked a lot of smack in the press about how U2 was pursuing an unprecedented sound. We gave them the benefit of the doubt, remembering how we almost got whiplash way back when they made the breakneck stylistic changeup between Rattle and Hum and Achtung Baby. Hell, we thought, those middle-aged multimillionaires might still have a surprise or two up their sleeves yet.



The bad news: Lanois seems to have gotten a little overexcited in his assessment of the band's degree of groundbreaking. There's little here that hasn't been tried in one form or another on previous U2 albums, either from their latter-day "mature" phase or from their '90s shape-shifting experimental period. If you've been hoping for some new, lemony-fresh-scent version of the Dublin rock gods, you're in for a disappointment.



The good news: The bad news doesn't really matter. Sure, "Get on Your Boots" is this year's "Vertigo" or "Elevation," with a touch of "Numb" thrown in for good measure, and there's a hint of "Walk On" in the title track. OK, maybe "Cedars of Lebanon" has got a little "Running to Stand Still" running through its veins. Get over it; these same four guys have been making music together for some 30 years now. It's not easy being the biggest band in the world, you know.



Don't you think the Beatles would have started repeating themselves if they'd remained together for half as long as U2 has? By this point, it's within their rights to utilize pieces of their past in building a new present for themselves, as long as they don't half-ass it and start turning out inferior remakes of their old tunes. That's not what's going on here, and if anything, No Line is ultimately a more visceral and memorable effort than either of the band's other two 21st century offerings.

7/10
 
wow. and people get mad when i point out the homoerotic overtones in much of Boy.

i appreciate the thoughtful analysis, but the lyrics don't read nearly as staunchly traditional Christian as it seems this reviewer would like them to be.

this seems like the biggest leap:

The basic message of No Line is that earth is not yet heaven, and therefore the album summons us to "Get On Your Boots" and work toward the day when things will fully be on earth as they are in heaven -- when heaven and earth will be indistinguishable, and there will at last be no line on the horizon.
 
Crave Online review:

U2: No Line On The Horizon

U2's most cohesive album since Achtung Baby?
Jeremy Azevedo, CraveOnline
March 3, 2009


U2 is a band that I have always found incredibly difficult to form a critical opinion of. As a teenager, I was fascinated by bands that were “tough”, like Danzig, Guns N’ Roses and Pantera.

U2 didn’t fit into my preferred aesthetic, with their lame, giant sunglasses, standard arena rock attire and slicked back hair. And yet it could not be denied that they were excellent songwriters. After procuring “The Johua Tree” and “Achtung Baby” from Columbia House (Yes I actually subscribed to Columbia House), I was officially a fan. I’m not ashamed to say that a combination of teen angst, northern California weed and a careful listening to U2 circa 87-91 was apt to leave me feeling more than a little bit goose-bumpy on the occasional weekday night.



My brief flirtation as a U2 fanboy came to an abrupt end due to a combination of “Zooropa” and “Pop” sucking and my girlfriend at the time having an affair with a goddamn U2 stage show lighting technician. I sold all my U2 records to Amoeaba and washed my hands of them. I no longer enjoyed U2 without thinking of that crushing humiliation suffered at their unknowing hands. In addition, I found their anti-establo, anti-consumer stage show to be completely at odds with their obvious embracement of super-fame and the crass commercialism of their band name. It was as if they playing some epic joke on the very same people that they were selling their albums to, but without the self-awareness that would make this come off as cocky/cool. That’s the thing about U2: You can never gauge their level of self-awareness.

Years later, U2 had only become more over-exposed and insulated. Bono with all his politicking… How much of it was for the greater good, and how much of it was for self-promotion? Seriously, the dude is on par with Sean Penn in the pantheon of annoying celebrity do-gooders. And what’s with all the iPod ads, and moving all their finances to the Netherlands to avoid paying taxes? Uno, dos, tres, catorce? What the f**k? Their music and live performance was admittedly getting better and better, but their attention begging was at odds with their credibility. I honestly didn’t think I’d ever be able to enjoy U2 subjectively again. And then I got “No Line On The Horizon” in the mail.



Initially, I found myself unable to take the album in. The U2 signature sound was there, with the droning hum behind the clean guitar lines, the subtle bass lines and soaring vocals. Typical. But something was different. Did I actually like this? I’ve always been the kind of person to reserve praise for the underdog, and U2 is certainly far from that. Or are they? In a world in which everyone with a MySpace can be a rockstar by sending out enough friend requests or kissing the ass of someone at Vice or Pitchfork, actual songwriting and the art of constructing a cohesive album is all but lost. Most albums these days seem like they were thrown together in a week, slapping together songs as haphazardly as can be, failing to edit out the weak material and patently unable to manufacture anything resembling a running theme. “No Line On The Horizon” is the exact opposite of this.

In interviews regarding their last two albums, U2 have been known to criticize the fact that while there were no “poor” songs on either album, neither “All That You Can’t Leave Behind” nor “How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb” had the thematic arc that a classic album like “The Joshua Tree” had, with it’s concise deconstruction of the American mythology. “No Line On the Horizon” corrects this, with every track serving a dual purpose both as a potential single and also as part of a larger story. If Anton Corbijn’s film, “Linear” (which uses material from this album as its soundtrack), achieves any modicum of success, it may be looked at as U2’s own personal version of Pink Floyd’s “The Wall”.



After a few listens to this album, I can see why “Get On Your Boots” was chosen as the first single. It sounds the most contemporary of all the songs, at least when compared to previous U2 singles from this decade. But held up next to the rest of the album, it’s probably my least favorite. Bored of writing in the 1st person, Bono has adapted a story-telling approach on some of the songs that really expand the band’s musical vocabulary, but maybe aren’t as radio-friendly because of it. At least not until the initial reviews are in, after which you’ll probably hear just about every song on this album make it’s way to your car radio. “Moment Of Surrender” and “I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight” are particularly good examples of the band’s new direction, combining elements of classic U2 with modern production technique in a way that is undeniably catchy. Although it’s the slightly more psychedelic songs toward the end of the album like “FEZ-Being Born” and “Cedars Of Lebanon” that make the hairs stand up on your neck.

As much as I hate to go back on years of shit talking, the honest truth is that even haters like myself will find little to dislike in this album. Although "No Line On The Horizon" does nothing to answer the age-old question, “Is U2 full of shit or do they know exactly what they are doing?”, this may ultimately for the best. For this is the mystery that keeps U2 relevant throughout the years… this question of whether they are the biggest sell-outs in rock history or bonafide geniuses. And mystery is exactly what the music industry today is missing more than anything.

CraveOnline Rating: 9.5 out of 10
-1.5 if you have never and will never see U2 perform live.
+0.5 if you are the kind of person that actually bought a limited-edition U2 iPod without thinking for a second that it was kind of weird.
 
I suspect the critics who pan this album will be singing a different tune in a year or two.

This album has the feel of a classic. And classics usually take more than a couple of weeks to digest.
 
The Associated Baptist Press says, "the most Christian thing they've done yet":

Associated Baptist Press - Music review: Grace inside a sound -- U2, 'No Line on the Horizon'

I didn't read the review. But I agree its their most Christian album to date, yet the lyrics are more cryptic than ever. It also covers a wide range of spirituality, from the reflective agony in MOS, to the modern gospel of UC, the jubilant worship of Magnificent, and the hope for humanity in spite of modern troubles in NLOTH and Breathe. There's so much there, yet it isn't preachy but beautiful poetry. Another thing I love about U2, there's a lot of depth the silly casual listener has no clue about.
 
I suspect the critics who pan this album will be singing a different tune in a year or two.

This album has the feel of a classic. And classics usually take more than a couple of weeks to digest.

And conversely I suspect that those who have proclaimed it a classic will also be singing a different tune. I think the truth is somewhere comfortably in between 'pan' and classic, although I do admit it is a grower and it would serve critics better to understand this.
 
A.V. Club (destined for Metacritic) = C :down:

U2 | Music | A.V. Club

By Steve Hyden

It took five years, four recording studios, and three superstar producers to create No Line On The Horizon, which raises the question “Why has it become so difficultto make a U2 record?” The apparent strain of doing what used to seem effortless threatens to drown out the music on the band’s 12th album, which attempts to re-establish U2’s reputation for experimentation, much like the band’s previous two albums, 2000’s All That You Can’t Leave Behind and 2004’s How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb, re-affirmed its status as the papa bear of earnest “We can change the world!” arena rock.

It’s a curious but characteristically self-conscious move for a band that spent most of the decade angling for iPod commercials and Super Bowl halftime shows. And yet, in spite of all the time and money put into No Line On The Horizon, it feels unfinished, even half-baked. The single “Get On Your Boots” has been justifiably reviled as a ProTools disaster, but even less-cluttered songs like “White As Snow” and “Stand Up Comedy” are a few drafts away from being completed. Bono seems particularly distracted, belting out dummy lyrics he never got around to polishing on the bad-as-it-sounds “I’ll Go Crazy If I Don’t Go Crazy Tonight,” which includes head-scratchers like “There’s a part of me in the chaos that’s quiet, and there’s a part of you that wants me to riot.” (Thankfully, Bono is more eloquent when addressing Third World debt, a cause seemingly closer to his heart than U2 these days.)

Perhaps the incompleteness of the fuzzily elusive No Line On The Horizon is the point. But Bono’s call “to let me in the sound” on the ambient “FEZ-Being Born” doesn’t resonate. U2 might try to pass Horizon off asatmospheric, but it’s really just a grab bag of underdeveloped ideas that never seemed to command the band’s full attention.

It gave the previous album an 80.
 

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