BonosLil'Pal94
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I hope she does that encyclopedia. It would make some things a lot more understandable, and it would be really cool! 
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I do to, but I doubt it will be coming out any time soon. I bet a few years will pass before it happens.
Hey BLP, I think I asked you this in another thread, but I never looked for an answer: who is the 4th person in your avatar Ginny or Luna? My guess would be ginny, but I can't tell.
Hey BLP, I think I asked you this in another thread, but I never looked for an answer: who is the 4th person in your avatar Ginny or Luna? My guess would be ginny, but I can't tell.
BonosLil'Pal94
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It's Ginny And I don't think you asked
And I don't think you askedWhat is actually scaring me right now is the very real possibilty of the HP fanfic writers doing steamy marital Lupin-Tonks love scenes.
If anyone wants to see how the "underground radio" thing worked, just rent the DVD of the black and white 1960 classic "The Longest Day." I'd read a couple histories of WW2, as well as William Shirer's incomparible book "The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" (which I'm sure was the basis for a certain alluded HP book of, well almost the same title--you know which one! Want to bet it was a hsitory of Grindelwald?) . I'd read of underground radio broadcasts along several fronts in WW2 but the British and esp the French one interested me most. But it was when I saw that movie that actually showed how it worked (in some scenes with extras who had actually tuned in to the real broadcasts 16 yrs before). Like I said, stirring stuff.
Varitek, I agree, The Pensieve could have been fleshed out a bit with the story of the James-Lily relationship but as these were Snape's memories we couldn't get that. I wonder if the issue even crossed Jo's mind. That explanation would not have been enough for people who argue that she found a way for Harry to learn final truths from Dumbledore in King's Cross even though he was dead.....Maybe the Order was older than we think, and Dumbledore not-so-secretly founded it at Hogwarts that year in a manner similar to the DA. Or he did found it secretly and James had joined it and persuaded Lily to do the same....it's just one of those things.
After all, Princess Diana is no longer alive to defend her reputation against Rita Skeeter--ahem, I mean Tina Brown, from her insinuations--ALL of which cannot possibly be true? I'd love to see her do a trash peice on Camilla. With the right amount of money, any Palace pal would spill the beans. But obviously the very much alive future King of England and his potty-mouth " "Mummy" mistress aren't as much gold as Lady Di, who's ten years dead. Or the rest of the Royal Family, come to that. I'd rather hear about people who are still in the game.
As to sequels--I don't think that we'd see the veterans of the Voldemort Wars brought up in any future writings. What I'm hoping is that she would indeed do a prequel series or trilogy set in the ancient past of the Wizarding World, about the founding of Hogwarts, or set in the time of seminal events that are seen as leading up to, or indirectly setting up the conditions for, the rise of people like Grindelwald and LV. Such as in the year 1693, when the International Statute of Secrecy was passed, which officially mandated that wizards go into hiding. The premise being, I suppose, that witches and Wizards persecuted by Europeans for centuries looked to the New World as a place of potential refuge and rebirth but after the Salem Witch Trials this final hope was dashed.....at least that's my take on it. If Jo is gutsy enough to set a story in the modern world which has Muggles affected by Wizarding events in an indirect way it might be interesting to get Jo's fantasy "take" on the darker side of European history in the Middle Ages or the Reaaissance Era. It would be a good way to portray, or even hint at, the Inquisition and make the series a lot more "adult." The HP series would then be seen, as dark as it is, as an improvement over past eras. Though this might be disputed, just as we dispute how much "progress"has been made in the modern era, modern technology and all. IN the past centuries when Christianity was a recent phenom and "witchcraft" wasn't really a word as yet, and witches and wizards were friends with Muggles in some way, and interactions were interesting. I'd love to see Jo's fantasy interpretation of how the gulf opened up between the two races.
Before we get there, though, along with the encyclopedia, I'd love to see two of the "texts" mentioned throughout the series get publidhed--"The Rise And Fall Of The Dark Arts" and "Hogwarts: A History."
If anyone wants to see how the "underground radio" thing worked, just rent the DVD of the black and white 1960 classic "The Longest Day." I'd read a couple histories of WW2, as well as William Shirer's incomparible book "The Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich" (which I'm sure was the basis for a certain alluded HP book of, well almost the same title--you know which one! Want to bet it was a hsitory of Grindelwald?) . I'd read of underground radio broadcasts along several fronts in WW2 but the British and esp the French one interested me most. But it was when I saw that movie that actually showed how it worked (in some scenes with extras who had actually tuned in to the real broadcasts 16 yrs before). Like I said, stirring stuff.
Varitek, I agree, The Pensieve could have been fleshed out a bit with the story of the James-Lily relationship but as these were Snape's memories we couldn't get that. I wonder if the issue even crossed Jo's mind. That explanation would not have been enough for people who argue that she found a way for Harry to learn final truths from Dumbledore in King's Cross even though he was dead.....Maybe the Order was older than we think, and Dumbledore not-so-secretly founded it at Hogwarts that year in a manner similar to the DA. Or he did found it secretly and James had joined it and persuaded Lily to do the same....it's just one of those things.
After all, Princess Diana is no longer alive to defend her reputation against Rita Skeeter--ahem, I mean Tina Brown, from her insinuations--ALL of which cannot possibly be true? I'd love to see her do a trash peice on Camilla. With the right amount of money, any Palace pal would spill the beans. But obviously the very much alive future King of England and his potty-mouth " "Mummy" mistress aren't as much gold as Lady Di, who's ten years dead. Or the rest of the Royal Family, come to that. I'd rather hear about people who are still in the game.
As to sequels--I don't think that we'd see the veterans of the Voldemort Wars brought up in any future writings. What I'm hoping is that she would indeed do a prequel series or trilogy set in the ancient past of the Wizarding World, about the founding of Hogwarts, or set in the time of seminal events that are seen as leading up to, or indirectly setting up the conditions for, the rise of people like Grindelwald and LV. Such as in the year 1693, when the International Statute of Secrecy was passed, which officially mandated that wizards go into hiding. The premise being, I suppose, that witches and Wizards persecuted by Europeans for centuries looked to the New World as a place of potential refuge and rebirth but after the Salem Witch Trials this final hope was dashed.....at least that's my take on it. If Jo is gutsy enough to set a story in the modern world which has Muggles affected by Wizarding events in an indirect way it might be interesting to get Jo's fantasy "take" on the darker side of European history in the Middle Ages or the Reaaissance Era. It would be a good way to portray, or even hint at, the Inquisition and make the series a lot more "adult." The HP series would then be seen, as dark as it is, as an improvement over past eras. Though this might be disputed, just as we dispute how much "progress"has been made in the modern era, modern technology and all. IN the past centuries when Christianity was a recent phenom and "witchcraft" wasn't really a word as yet, and witches and wizards were friends with Muggles in some way, and interactions were interesting. I'd love to see Jo's fantasy interpretation of how the gulf opened up between the two races.
Before we get there, though, along with the encyclopedia, I'd love to see two of the "texts" mentioned throughout the series get publidhed--"The Rise And Fall Of The Dark Arts" and "Hogwarts: A History."
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Varitek
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Nah, Snape spying on LIly and James would have fit perfectly with his character and the earlier Pensieve scenes.
Varitek
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Oh, and I'd love to be the intern who, at no pay, combed the 7 books for mentions of what has to be in Hogwarts, A History. And what's missing. That could be fun!
Varitek
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http://books.guardian.co.uk/harrypotter/story/0,,2144164,00.html
"Bookmaker cursed by Harry Potter ending."
hahahahahaha I love it.
"Bookmaker cursed by Harry Potter ending."
hahahahahaha I love it.
Kiki
New Yorker
Teta040 said:What is actually scaring me right now is the very real possibilty of the HP fanfic writers doing steamy marital Lupin-Tonks love scenes.
what the hell? why would you think anyone would go in to that?
LMP
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You want some dirty HP stuff, replace wand with wang while reading.
That is some funny stuff.
That is some funny stuff.
Varitek
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Hermione broke Harry's wang, and wangs are unreparable when broken that badly, but the Elder wang was still able to repair Harry's wang, which made Harry happy as he was quite fond of his wang...
yup...
some student at my school did an "art project" in which they blacked out words in one of the harry potters until it read like a porn novel.
I generally stay away from fan fic both because a) I don't care what other people think these characters do on their own non-Rowling time nor do I want their machinations cluttering up my Harry-world b) I don't care to read some 16 year old's love scene between Lupin and Tonks.
yup...
some student at my school did an "art project" in which they blacked out words in one of the harry potters until it read like a porn novel.
I generally stay away from fan fic both because a) I don't care what other people think these characters do on their own non-Rowling time nor do I want their machinations cluttering up my Harry-world b) I don't care to read some 16 year old's love scene between Lupin and Tonks.
FYI, I have only read two fanfics in my entire life, and both were LOTR-inspired fanfics, and those only because they were recommended in a chat page. One of them concerned Aragorn's parents, Arathorn and Gilraen, and the life of the Dunedain, the semi-tribal shrunken remnants of the leaders of the Northern Kingdom of Arnor (Gondor of course being the Southern Kingdom.) We only have references to the Dunedain in the story, so a lot can left to the imagination. It was a charming little novella, quite long, concerning Aragorn's family and quite beautifully written. I could easily have seen it on a bookstore shelf and it made me a bit jealous I hadnt written it, actually.
The other was a terrific piece about Galadriel and her husband Celeborn, and their life in the Undying Lands after the close of LOTR.(Galadriel by the time of LOTR being the oldest living Elf and the granddaughter of one of the first ever Elves. .) What was great about this one was that you could tell it was written either by an older woman or a woman who had been in a relationship for years and was well experienced in all the various aspects of love. I refer to the non-sexual aspects of a relationship here. Every emotion that has swirled around in a couple's head was referred to, as this writer envisioned the phsycology of their marriage that went back literally thousands of yrs. We relive thier lives; this person was obviously a huge Tolkien fan as she referenced dozens of events from the Silamrillion on. The whole thing was a single long conversation that takes place on a crowded beach where they are dieambarking from a ship and walking along the shore, oblivious to the other Elves around them, and the specific timeframe was a bit hazy but you could tell it was after LOTR. I actually printed it out to serve as guide for being in a relationship!
I wish I had links to both of these as they must be examples of fanfic at its absolute best...when sometimes (in terms of subject matter) it's better than the author was.
From what I've heard of fanfic, the majority of it is either laugable trash, literary McDonalds, or downright creepy stuff written by people with too much time on their hands. I've never gone looking for the stuff but I know it's out there. HP fans in particular the "Shippers" cooked up some pretty wild stuff in the yrs before Book 6, so I had ancedotally heard, and in an article in the Daily News they even said people sent in romantic fanfics for a "What will happen in DH" contest the rag sponsored last month.
My comment about Lupin/ Tonks was made in that light--not that I was going to read any such stuff, but more in the light of "Judging by what I've heard people have written, I wouldn't be surprised if someone did write something like that-there are a lot of crazy people out there!"
I shudder to think of what, for example, Star Trek fanfic must be like......esp with the "slash" stuff.
The other was a terrific piece about Galadriel and her husband Celeborn, and their life in the Undying Lands after the close of LOTR.(Galadriel by the time of LOTR being the oldest living Elf and the granddaughter of one of the first ever Elves. .) What was great about this one was that you could tell it was written either by an older woman or a woman who had been in a relationship for years and was well experienced in all the various aspects of love. I refer to the non-sexual aspects of a relationship here. Every emotion that has swirled around in a couple's head was referred to, as this writer envisioned the phsycology of their marriage that went back literally thousands of yrs. We relive thier lives; this person was obviously a huge Tolkien fan as she referenced dozens of events from the Silamrillion on. The whole thing was a single long conversation that takes place on a crowded beach where they are dieambarking from a ship and walking along the shore, oblivious to the other Elves around them, and the specific timeframe was a bit hazy but you could tell it was after LOTR. I actually printed it out to serve as guide for being in a relationship!
I wish I had links to both of these as they must be examples of fanfic at its absolute best...when sometimes (in terms of subject matter) it's better than the author was.
From what I've heard of fanfic, the majority of it is either laugable trash, literary McDonalds, or downright creepy stuff written by people with too much time on their hands. I've never gone looking for the stuff but I know it's out there. HP fans in particular the "Shippers" cooked up some pretty wild stuff in the yrs before Book 6, so I had ancedotally heard, and in an article in the Daily News they even said people sent in romantic fanfics for a "What will happen in DH" contest the rag sponsored last month.
My comment about Lupin/ Tonks was made in that light--not that I was going to read any such stuff, but more in the light of "Judging by what I've heard people have written, I wouldn't be surprised if someone did write something like that-there are a lot of crazy people out there!"
I shudder to think of what, for example, Star Trek fanfic must be like......esp with the "slash" stuff.
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corianderstem
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Teta040 said:
It's been my experience that the quality of fanfic varies greatly from fandom to fandom. But even the fandoms with a lot of good fanfic has its share of utter crap.
Slash is EVERYWHERE in fanfic. It doesn't matter what fandom you're in.
LMP
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Do any of you guys listen to the Mugglenet podcast?
It's a really good listen for anyone who wants to dissect Deathly Hallows.
It's a really good listen for anyone who wants to dissect Deathly Hallows.
Yep I do.
May I add that some of it is very funny as well! The last 3 episodes are pure gold.
Varitek and a lot of you on here, I know your site of choice is Leaky Cauldron and yes that's a great site (Burger King to Mugglenet's McDonald's, heh heh) but the MG Podcasts are well worth a listen. Really.
May I add that some of it is very funny as well! The last 3 episodes are pure gold.
Varitek and a lot of you on here, I know your site of choice is Leaky Cauldron and yes that's a great site (Burger King to Mugglenet's McDonald's, heh heh) but the MG Podcasts are well worth a listen. Really.
LMP
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The one guy who does the Dumbledore quote about choices, omg. 
Varitek
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Speaking of DD's quote about choices, I was watching Spiderman 3 last night (ugh...) and there's a remarkably similar quote. I smell a rat... unless someone at Marvel published it 20 years ago or whatever...
LMP
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You could argue the same thing about the horcruxes and the Ring from LOTR.
BonosLil'Pal94
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CrownVCJ
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It was good. The end was kinda disappointing, not because of what happened but because of how brief it was. Oh well.
LMAO the Dumbledore guy....I should add he does the Richard Harris (RIP) Dumbledore and not the Micheal Gambon Dumbledore.....I don't hate Micheal Gambon as much as I used to, seeing that in light of the revelations of DH, Micheal Gambon will be pretty good, actually....Richard Harris, with one exception, IMO would not have been able to convey the same degree of shadiness. I don't know aobut you, but I wouldn't have wanted Harris tarnished. He WAS the "iconic" Dumbledore. The novel Dumbledore was one thing, but the cinematic Dumbledore was less flexible. And I do espearte book from film, though you can't deny cinema's power.
The one exception for me is that brilliant moment in the COS film where in the Diary flashback Dumbledore inquires of Tom Riddle, "Is there anything you wish to tell me?? Riddle replies, "No sir," and visibly gulps...the camera flahes to Harris who dips his head and gives him this piercing look from under his brows...that is brillaint, IMO. I didn't really get the whole thing until I read DH. What Dumbledore wanted him to say (just as he later wanted Harry to say) was that he'd found out he was a Parselmouth. With Harry this would have been no big deal in itself (Harry had done nothing harmful) but the reason why Harry was reluctant to tell Dumbledore was b/c he was still in turmoil over finding out it wasn't a good thing and was still figuring out how to deal with it. But if Tom Riddle had admitted it, he would of course be confessing his guilt in Myrtle's murder. Here he had just seen the girl's body being taken away by the coroners and she had been marked for his first (or second?) Horcrux. And he knew Dumbledore knew the truth but had decided not to take action. I wonder if Riddle was still truly afraid of Dumbledore at that moment or did he begin to despise him for his "weakness" (ie NOT calling him out?) So it ever thus with tyrants...they despise those who didn't have the guts to take them on. And the reason why they later crack down on them is that they remain afraid.
I urge everyone to listen to Mugglecast 103....the nature of good and evil: is evil inherent in us or is it shaped by circumstances of environment? In terms of Voldemort. Ah, the new intellegentsia. Better than nothing, though....
The one exception for me is that brilliant moment in the COS film where in the Diary flashback Dumbledore inquires of Tom Riddle, "Is there anything you wish to tell me?? Riddle replies, "No sir," and visibly gulps...the camera flahes to Harris who dips his head and gives him this piercing look from under his brows...that is brillaint, IMO. I didn't really get the whole thing until I read DH. What Dumbledore wanted him to say (just as he later wanted Harry to say) was that he'd found out he was a Parselmouth. With Harry this would have been no big deal in itself (Harry had done nothing harmful) but the reason why Harry was reluctant to tell Dumbledore was b/c he was still in turmoil over finding out it wasn't a good thing and was still figuring out how to deal with it. But if Tom Riddle had admitted it, he would of course be confessing his guilt in Myrtle's murder. Here he had just seen the girl's body being taken away by the coroners and she had been marked for his first (or second?) Horcrux. And he knew Dumbledore knew the truth but had decided not to take action. I wonder if Riddle was still truly afraid of Dumbledore at that moment or did he begin to despise him for his "weakness" (ie NOT calling him out?) So it ever thus with tyrants...they despise those who didn't have the guts to take them on. And the reason why they later crack down on them is that they remain afraid.
I urge everyone to listen to Mugglecast 103....the nature of good and evil: is evil inherent in us or is it shaped by circumstances of environment? In terms of Voldemort. Ah, the new intellegentsia. Better than nothing, though....
Varitek
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iloveedge said:Why did I come in this thread? Now I know who dies.
Wait...the book's been out for 20 days, so clearly a thread for the discussion of it, marked spoilers, is going to, er... discuss who dies, among other things.
I'm sorry you ruined the book for yourself...
Kiki
New Yorker
yeah I agree with Vari. It's clearly marked spoilers in the thread title. You should have known.
Kiki
New Yorker
The song that the "Weird Sisters" sing in the GOF during the Yule Ball, is that called "Do it like a Hipogriff"?????? I want to get the sound track but I want the song that they partied to on it too.
Actually I want to know the title of the song that Ron and Hermione had their walking argument over...a neat little tune! (Never bought the soundtracks...I took a tape recorder into all the films and recorder the films to listen to, b/c you never get the WHOLE score in the soundtrack...
Actually, I thought the score for GOF was gorgeous, at times so good I thought JW had written it. And no, I don't miss Hedwig's Theme. People have such an almost romantic attatchement to this piece prob because it's a JW piece. I wonder if JW has read ll the books and if so he is probably now regretting writing such a childish piece as Hedwig's Theme. But then, he had no idea what the series would become. Nobody did. I'slove to see him compose a variation on his work for the sinister Diagon Alley under Voldemort's Regime we see in Book 7.
Actually, I thought the score for GOF was gorgeous, at times so good I thought JW had written it. And no, I don't miss Hedwig's Theme. People have such an almost romantic attatchement to this piece prob because it's a JW piece. I wonder if JW has read ll the books and if so he is probably now regretting writing such a childish piece as Hedwig's Theme. But then, he had no idea what the series would become. Nobody did. I'slove to see him compose a variation on his work for the sinister Diagon Alley under Voldemort's Regime we see in Book 7.
Kiki
New Yorker
who's JW?
LMP
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Guys, the Chris Columbus movies really do suck. They lost their novelty for me after their 2nd viewings.
Azkaban and Phoenix are the only good standalone films in the series. The rest is for nostalgic value/hardcore fans that don't give a shit.
/bold statement of the day
Azkaban and Phoenix are the only good standalone films in the series. The rest is for nostalgic value/hardcore fans that don't give a shit.
/bold statement of the day
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