M_Angel, im very sorry about your dad, and God Bless you all for doing everything you did / and could during such terrible times. I have absolutely no problem with you or anyone like you receiving assistance or aid given your situation, an honest to goodness sincere need for the programs that were put into place if i have ever heard of one. Obviously there are many other people out there with situations similar to yours...these are prime examples of why these programs exist.
Thank you
. Glad we're in agreement on that aspect of it all. And there are people even worse off than my family-I can't imagine what it's like for them.
Personally i have had to draw unemployment once myself, when the company i worked for lost its contract with GM back in 2001, and closed its doors and laid off all 150+ workers. I was on the unemployment for a couple of months in fact, while vigorously looking for work in the meantime, and finally got a job around 911 as the benefits were about to dry up. I get that people need the assistance, as did i, and im all for these programs helping those in need.
I'm glad you were able to get some help during that time, and I'm sorry you had to go through that as well. That really sucks. I'm honestly surprised sometimes that when that many people get laid off at once like that, there aren't more protests. Not to say that'd necessarily solve anything one way or another, but it would be a logical reaction.
As a veteran, im for helping anyone who truly *needs* it. That said, thinking back to that video posted by Indy500 and myself, those people in the video didn't seemed all too interested in finding a job....they just wanted the "Obama bucks". I think there is a difference. I dont know how you tell the difference between who is for real and who is a bullshit artist with an entitlement mentality....but that is what needs to be fixed imho. One guy in the video made a reference to his ancestors being slaves...as if that's why he was entitled to his "Obama bucks". Well guess what, my ancestors were native americans, but you don't see me dressing up in feathers and running around looking for handouts because i don't want to work.
I've said before, honestly, after witnessing my parents having to go through tons of paperwork just to prove everything was legit, I'm amazed anyone CAN manage to get around the rules and scam off the government like that. Maybe that stuff varies from state to state, maybe some places aren't as rigid as others.
But yes, you're absolutely right, I have a particular scorn reserved for people who scam. It certainly happens and should be dealt with seriously. They're stealing help from those who truly need it, and making people look suspiciously at anyone who dares ask for such aid as a result. It's not fair that the majority of people who genuinely need help have to prove they need it because of a few assholes out there. How to fix that, though, I'm not sure. There's the endless paperwork I mentioned, but again, that provides frustration, that red tape costs money in and of itself, and when someone's genuinely sick or needs to pay their rent or food by the end of the week, they don't exactly have much time to wait for all that stuff to be certified and approved and whatnot.
And of course, one could argue that no matter
what we do, people will always find ways to scam the system anyway. Which is a depressing thought. Maybe we need tougher punishments or something. I dunno. Anyone else have any particular novel suggestions on that topic?
Im also for govt stepping back a bit and letting free enterprise and the markets work a bit too. At some point this has to happen if we ever want to get above 8.2% unemployment or whatever this current figure is.
If there's anything those in the private sector, the free enterprise folks, can do to help fix the situation, yeah, please, by all means, let's take their solutions onboard. It really sucks that people think we should pit one option against the other. Free enterprise has its good points, so does government help. Why people in this country can't seem to find a proper middle ground that allows both sides to help people out when needed, I don't understand.
But please dont think i have an "(R)" next to my name or that i want to bomb Tehran just because im outraged when my tax dollars go to people i dont feel are worthy of govt assistance. Serving in the military often means getting paid very little to put your life on the line even if you dont necessarily believe in what you are fighting for. If anything, being a veteran and having had to rely on unemployment compensation gives me the unique perspective that i dont ever want to have to rely on any of that shit again.
I don't blame you for that. And you raise a good point that even though veterans get government benefits, we've heard too many unfortunate stories over the years of those benefits being small at best, and not always as helpful as they should be (it's appalling the stories I've heard sometimes about how we've treated those who've risked their lives to help our country out throughout history).
And as for the Tehran thing, that's just something that popped into my head when I saw Irvine's post. I apologize if I implied something about you in that response that I didn't intend, it was a general comment and not targeted at anyone specifically.
I also apologize again if I came off snippy in my response to you earlier, too
. I do think these stories from both sides of the aisle are worth sharing, we can get evidence for both arguments easily here. Again, I'm certainly not saying the government is a savior and will fix everything. Of course they won't. Lord knows they have no shortage of problems, and they definitely need to change how they do things, too. And with the corruption that runs rampant, I certainly understand everyone being wary of them helping out.
But the institution itself isn't necessarily the problem, it's the people we put in to run it that are. But that leads to a whole other topic altogther
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It's just a mess all around, and no government or private sector problems will get fixed if everyone's clinging to their side and refusing to talk to the other or listen to what they have to say.
And on a final note, thank you for your service to our country. I appreciate it.