Aardvark747
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My gf is a big Rammstein fan (german industrial metal act) and she found this thread on the forum!
http://herzeleid.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15953
http://herzeleid.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15953
U2Kitten said:I never knew Bullet was about the US until 2001.
bedouin fire said:
Well... the lines "outside is america" and "we run into the arms of america" are there since the song was released in 1987.
U2girl said::
Have you heard Crumbs from your table, ponkine? Not exactly a huge pro-West song is it?
U2Kitten said:
Is there an anti-US message in that too? I don't like Crumbs because it sounds like it's trying to be too many songs at once, but I never knew that. I know some have made comments that the 'where you live' part is about Africa, but most of it seems to be about a woman. Is that 'woman' really America?
U2girl said:
Not necessarily anti-US but more like anti-West in general - not doing enough for Africa/AIDS fight.
"Would you deny from others what you demand for yourself" in particular - a stab at America, Europe...anyone in power not doing enough.
bsp77 said:How did this become a discussion of the Cold War?
U2Kitten said:
Now that you mention it, knowing Bono I guess he'd do that.
U2girl said:
Not necessarily anti-US but more like anti-West in general - not doing enough for Africa/AIDS fight.
"Would you deny from others what you demand for yourself?" in particular - a stab at America, Europe...anyone in power not doing enough about Africa/AIDS.
"I would believe, if I was able, but I'm waiting on the crumbs from your table" - he's waiting for the West's crumbs on Africa's table.
I'm not sure who he means with "you had so much to offer why did you offer your soul" and the whole "your face caught up with your psichology" verse. The West again?
"where you live" part is also rallying against apathy towards Third world problems.
U2girl said:From Hot press, here is Bono commenting on Crumbs:
(“Full of spleen about the church and its refusal to hear God’s voice on the AIDS emergency.”)
80sU2isBest said:
I understand that AIDS is his God-given cause. I think it's a great work that he's doing. But how can he judge the church for not giving to his cause when they do give money and lives to so many other causes?
kobayashi said:
perhaps a combination of the pertinence of the cause and the justifications for not helping.
80sU2isBest said:
I love Bono, but I don't agree with him in this stance.
People always rant about the church "judging" people, but then people make statements like this. The truth is that the Church has a history of incredible generosity when it comes to pouring money and people into charitable work. For Bono to come down so hard upon the church is akin to him saying "Yes, I know you give all this money to this charity and that charity, but darn your heads for not giving to my cause, also".
I understand that AIDS is his God-given cause. I think it's a great work that he's doing. But how can he judge the church for not giving to his cause when they do give money and lives to so many other causes?
GDopplerXT said:
Just to balance the argument here, the Church also has a history of killing (or condoning the killing of) people who do not rank among its followers. (That's not a cheap shot, just the facts of history.)
If Crumbs is indeed about the Church, I'd bet that Bono is not upset about the church's money, although he would gladly welcome it. I'm guessing it's things like the fact that the Church does not accept the use of condoms which are highly effective in preventing the spread of Aids. They are also highly effective in preventing pregnancy, and therefore the Church does not approve of condom usage.
80sU2isBest said:
Seems to me that you are taking one denomination and calling it "The Church". Roman Catholicism doesn't believe in condoms, but that is just one denomination. Protestants aren't against them.
"The Church" is the body of Christ (all believers), not just one denomination.
U2@NYC said:I thought that the band members were drunk when they wrote Crumbs, and that they had acknowledged that...