DaveC
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england's pull out game on point these days fam
Question: I know that the UK has a fairly new Supreme Court. Is this the sort of issue that they may eventually intervene in?
I ask because it seems like some people think withdrawing will require a parliamentary vote, while others think that this can be done unilaterally by the PM. I ask because even if Boris Johnson wins the Tory leadership contest and the government isn't dissolved, it sounds like he might have a hard time keeping the Tories together enough to actually get parliament to approve activating Article 50. If he can do it unilaterally, that's another story. So I have to wonder if there will be some sort of constitutional crisis if he tries to activate Article 50 unilaterally.
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Everyone knows pulling out isn't 100% effectiveengland's pull out game on point these days fam
The media is really bugging me on this one. Calling for another referendum because some people are stupid, or because old people have voted the wrong way and they die soon anyways, or even an elected MP tweeting that the referendum is non-binding. Jesus fucking christ people, it's called a democracy. You can't demand a rerun because you don't like the result. That's not how it works.
Instead of wasting time on this, it would be much more beneficial to stop squabbling and start thinking about how to make the best out of this shitty situation and hopefully negotiate terms similar to what Switzerland or Norway has.
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It's also nice seeing a major country more fucked up politically than we are.I have to say it's kind of nice watching lying, grandstanding conservatives having to live with the bullshit they promulgate. They always seem to forget that at some point, someone's going to call their bluff. They won't get bailed out every time.
It's also nice seeing a major country more fucked up politically than we are.
Nice and frightening. But nice.
It's also nice seeing a major country more fucked up politically than we are.
Nice and frightening. But nice.
That's bullshit. If the result of the vote and also the revelation of all the populist lies makes the public opinion change, then it's not democratic to just carry out whatever the result was.The media is really bugging me on this one. Calling for another referendum because some people are stupid, or because old people have voted the wrong way and they die soon anyways, or even an elected MP tweeting that the referendum is non-binding. Jesus fucking christ people, it's called a democracy. You can't demand a rerun because you don't like the result. That's not how it works.
Instead of wasting time on this, it would be much more beneficial to stop squabbling and start thinking about how to make the best out of this shitty situation and hopefully negotiate terms similar to what Switzerland or Norway has.
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no, that's not the problem - the problem is the narrow win - 3.98% is not sufficient to be democratic! in the 1975 referendum to join the EEC, there was a 34% majority (67/33), so a huuuuge difference
That's bullshit. If the result of the vote and also the revelation of all the populist lies makes the public opinion change, then it's not democratic to just carry out whatever the result was.
That's bullshit. If the result of the vote and also the revelation of all the populist lies makes the public opinion change, then it's not democratic to just carry out whatever the result was.
or even an elected MP tweeting that the referendum is non-binding.
A 51-47 win with a 55% voter turnout is not legit win?
The numbers are real.Interesting math.
The TPPAll this underscores the superiority of representational democracy.
Your average citizen is not -- nor should be expected to be -- informed enough to cast a meaningful vote on complex policy. We have legislatures for a reason, courts for a reason. Our vote gives us a stake in the system, and a tool to use to enforce accountability and responsibility in our representatives.
Could you imagine putting the TPP up for a popular vote?
The numbers are real.
All this underscores the superiority of representational democracy.
Well, to be honest, only one side exaggerated their claims - camp Stay.I don't believe people in England did not know what they were voting for,
this election was huge news 24/7 for weeks. As for the claims, they were exaggerated on both sides, that is what happens in politics.
Yeah but where do you draw the line? Is 5% enough? 10%? If you have a majority vote, then that's what it is. Otherwise we can just get rid of refendums all together
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So if Trump wins, we're also going to ignore the election result? And demand a new election where nobody is allowed to lie?
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All this underscores the superiority of representational democracy.
Your average citizen is not -- nor should be expected to be -- informed enough to cast a meaningful vote on complex policy. We have legislatures for a reason, courts for a reason. Our vote gives us a stake in the system, and a tool to use to enforce accountability and responsibility in our representatives.
Could you imagine putting the TPP up for a popular vote?