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Now that you're at it, what do you guys think about euthanasia? I'm personally all for it. What's the use in living when the quality of life is not there?
Originally posted by Johnny Swallow:
I would never get an abortion.
Originally posted by Johnny Swallow:
I guess no one got it.
Originally posted by Angell:
Haven't been in forum for a while, but I have to jump in on this with my 2 cents.
One point about rape (which is the only touchy thing I see about this): Would you punish the child for the sin of the father? What if a woman is repeatedly abused by her husband and leaves him, only to find that everytime she sees her children she is reminded of him, so she kills them. Would that hold up in the court that allows abortion today?
whammy, I thought you were pro-life? Maybe you misinterpreted Angell's post. It is very pro-life.Originally posted by whammy:
Out of all the people who crunched numbers and did the math, when calculating how to get to the moon; I wonder how many of them actually had the guts to try?!
YOU HAVE KNOW IDEA WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT!
You must be a Jewel fan.
Originally posted by Angell:
Haven't been in forum for a while, but I have to jump in on this with my 2 cents.
One point about rape (which is the only touchy thing I see about this): Would you punish the child for the sin of the father? What if a woman is repeatedly abused by her husband and leaves him, only to find that everytime she sees her children she is reminded of him, so she kills them. Would that hold up in the court that allows abortion today?
Originally posted by paxetaurora:
Sorry to rant. It's a big rant-prone subject for me, though. I guess I'm a pro-life pro-choicer, if that's possible. I want to see a world in which abortion is made obsolete, a world in which men respect women's bodies and a woman has so much control over her sexuality and her body that abortions are unheard of. But until that world gets here, abortion will remain an ugly necessity.
You do. Abortion is not necessary in most cases. Wish granted.
Now, how do you expect me to change the minds of people who want to bomb a clinic? I'm not Mr. Spock. I can't do a Vulcan mind-meld.
Everyone who has received the death penalty has been convicted of a crime, and most are guilty.
I will not demand government funding for women's health clinics worldwide, because most do indeed condone and promote abortion.
Do you realize how much pro-lifers have done for the world? Most missionaries are pro-life. And they don't just preach the word. These people go into the remote parts of the world and bring food and clothing to needy people. They stay with them for years, and help them grow their own food, and build their own houses. They help them survive. Do you call that helping the world? I do. Plus, there are many many social programs trun by Christian pro-lifers that help people here in the states. Jesus People USA is an organization in the heart of Chicago run by prolife Christians. They share the gospel with and work for and with the downtown people, providing food and shelter.
Here in the United States, you have that. Women have control over their own bodies. How in the world is that supposed to decrease abortions? It hasn't since abortion became legal in 1973.
I have to probably side with the less-popular faction here and say that I think abortion ought to be legal, accessible, and in the hands of medical professionals all over the world.
And I also believe in the absolutely unalienable right of women, all over the world, to have access to safe, reliable birth control. Period.
End of story. The Pope is a great guy and I know he and Bono hang out, but I don't think that he's infallible, and I don't agree with him on birth control. Never have and never will.
When a woman's access to safe, confidential abortion is taken away, a woman is more likely to attempt to abort the child herself, or to seek an unclean, unsafe abortion.
It happened, and it happens today where abortion is illegal. A tragic situation becomes ten times worse.
I hope to God that when I become pregnant, I will be able to support the child, or that if I am not, I will be able to give it up for adoption. I'm very afraid of being raped;
it happened to a friend of mine in high school and, more recently, to another friend on the very campus on which I go to college. I have no idea how I would handle that, and I sincerely doubt that anyone who hasn't gone through it could have an idea.
I wish that I lived in a world in which abortion was not necessary.
How will pro-lifers win their war on abortion?
It's doable, I think, in just a few simple steps:
1.) Stand united, as an entire anti-abortion community, unequivocally, 100% in opposition to the bombing of clinics and the murder of doctors. You know and I know that the vast majority of people who consider themselves pro-life abhor these tactics, but some people still equate "pro-life" with "doctor killer." Just like people equate "pro-choice" with "baby killer,"
2.) Demand, with the pro-choice community, safe, affordable, and universal access to birth control.
3.) Get serious about opposition to the death penalty. Bush is laughable as a figurehead for the pro-life movement. He is, to say the least, a bit trigger-happy when it comes to capital punishment.
4.) Promote family planning awareness through methods other than abortion all over the world. Demand funding for women's health clinics worldwide.
5.) Stop making women feel guilty about their sexuality and their bodies. Guilt isn't going to help. Support will.
6.) Create a true "culture of life" by working for equality in education, career advancement, health care, and civil rights. Show respect for the life that's already here so a woman can feel good about bringing a child into the world, even if she's not going to keep it.
Sorry to rant. It's a big rant-prone subject for me, though. I guess I'm a pro-life pro-choicer, if that's possible. I want to see a world in which abortion is made obsolete, a world in which men respect women's bodies and a woman has so much control over her sexuality and her body that abortions are unheard of. But until that world gets here, abortion will remain an ugly necessity.
Originally posted by Not George Lucas:
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I hope to God that when I become pregnant, I will be able to support the child, or that if I am not, I will be able to give it up for adoption. I'm very afraid of being raped;
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After all, being sucked through a vaccuum and shredded to death is better than rape.
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it happened to a friend of mine in high school and, more recently, to another friend on the very campus on which I go to college. I have no idea how I would handle that, and I sincerely doubt that anyone who hasn't gone through it could have an idea.
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So, you would prefer your friends to be dead over them being rape victims? That doesn't sound right.
Because taht would be selling out our beliefs. We don't want to have any part of promoting promiscuity.Originally posted by joyfulgirl:
If the Christian-right really wants to do something positive about unwanted pregnancies, then how about an aggressive campaign to get condoms and other forms of birth control advertised on network TV.