Macfistowannabe
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You must think the Judeo-Christian God is a homophobe.Irvine511 said:
first, thank you for your honesty. i think you probably speak for a lot of people, but i still find it homophobic.
You must think the Judeo-Christian God is a homophobe.Irvine511 said:
first, thank you for your honesty. i think you probably speak for a lot of people, but i still find it homophobic.
nbcrusader said:
No. I said if they make that claim based on Scripture, we should be able to discuss the claim without resorting to calling one side a racist. That is not to say that we would find any merit in such a claim.
Macfistowannabe said:I disagree with you on this. For one thing, we should be concerned with the real homophobes who commit hate crimes rather than the "homophobes" who disagree with the lifestyle.
We should also practice tolerance LEFT and RIGHT, by allowing viewpoints by both sides, as long as they are respectful and well-thought, although we are completely entitled to disagree.
And we should also learn to recognise that there are many gay people who post here and who have the right to enjoy this message board without being faced with a barrage of homophobic nonsense. How can you respectfully say you think there's something wrong with someone because of their sexuality?
MadelynIris said:
Everyone of us do things that others don't believe are right. That's the way it is.
There is nothing bibical that supports racism to the best of my knowledge, and I highly doubt there is. One reason slavery wasn't taken over was because Jesus didn't come to start a political revolution, but a spiritual revolution. I've never had anything against blacks, and anyone who does is arguably a disgusting person.FizzingWhizzbees said:
Originally posted by Macfistowannabe
I disagree with you on this. For one thing, we should be concerned with the real homophobes who commit hate crimes rather than the "homophobes" who disagree with the lifestyle.
Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees
So are the only real racists those who attack Black people? The only real anti-semites those who desecrate Jewish graves?
FizzingWhizzbees said:
Originally posted by Macfistowannabe
We should also practice tolerance LEFT and RIGHT, by allowing viewpoints by both sides, as long as they are respectful and well-thought, although we are completely entitled to disagree.
Originally posted by FizzingWhizzbees
And we should also learn to recognise that there are many gay people who post here and who have the right to enjoy this message board without being faced with a barrage of homophobic nonsense. How can you respectfully say you think there's something wrong with someone because of their sexuality?
first, thank you for your honesty. i think you probably speak for a lot of people, but i still find it homophobic, and here's why:
1. you will only find out if your children are gay when they are older, if they are gay, they're gay right now, and have been since brith, probably, and even if you think it's unnatural, it is not unnatural to your child.
2. if your child, hypothetically turns out to be gay, i think you'll find it hard NOT to treat their spouse as one of your family. you apparently love your children very much, doesn't it logically follow that you would love who they love? don't you owe it to your child to support their relationships, especially in a world that makes it so difficult to do so? wouldn't you want to encourage monogamy, commitment, and family? doesn't your child's needs outweigh whatever theoretical objections you might have?
to ignore your child's spouse and treat him like less of a member of the family -- and, therefore, as less of a human being -- might make you feel righteous or morally consistent, but i can guarantee you that you'll be causing untold psychological damage on your child.
why would you force your child to choose between love and family, when the two should so easily compliment each other?
Macfistowannabe said:You must think the Judeo-Christian God is a homophobe.
MadelynIris said:
This is sooo weak. Again, is anyone saying there is anything wrong with anyone because of their sexuality? NO!
All we are saying is that we don't believe it to be right. It's that simple, our belief.
Everyone of us do things that others don't believe are right. That's the way it is. It has nothing to do with oppression, racism, and has little to do with civil rights.
Is this homophobic nonsense?
Mark
Macfistowannabe said:
I recognize that, and I've tried to be respectful of them when I politely offer an explanation as to why some people disagree with their lifestyle. All I'm saying is that just because someone may disagree with your lifestyle, it doesn't mean they hate you. I could disagree with gangsta rap because I might feel it promotes violence and loose sex, but someone somewhere is going to call me an intolerant racist for it.
I just don't get it...
Here's a link for you. http://www.web-ministry.com/sin/homosexuality/myths.phpIrvine511 said:
i think people who (mis)use their interpretation of the Judeo-Christian God and cling to theological certainties that collapse upon close scrutiny and appeal to fear to justify irrational beliefs are homophobes.
you say that you dont' believe it to be right, there seems to me to be a contradiction there
Macfistowannabe said:Here's a link for you. http://www.web-ministry.com/sin/homosexuality/myths.php
Informative site, but I do caution that it may offend your views.
and, on a side note, in relation to the gay-teens-and-suicide thing, U2 had a lot to do with me surviving my adolescence as a deeply closeted gay teen. it may sound melodramatic, but for professed Christians to write a song like "one" ... you can't imagine how much it meant to me. and millions others.
MadelynIris said:
No contradition. I'm having a hard time understanding why you don't understand what I'm saying.
No problem with gay people. I just don't uphold homosexuality as right. There are other things I don't uphold as right either.... like Amway.
because it's inconsistent. like saying, "no problems with left-handers, i just don't like their handwriting."
MadelynIris said:
No. It's more like, no problem with adulterers as people (I'd have dinner with them, hang out, drink some beer etc...) but if the issue came up that required my endorsement of their lifestyle, I would not, and I would let them know that I think it's wrong.
Mark
MadelynIris said:
No. It's more like, no problem with adulterers as people (I'd have dinner with them, hang out, drink some beer etc...) but if the issue came up that required my endorsement of their lifestyle, I would not, and I would let them know that I think it's wrong.
Mark
ah, but there's a victim with adultery.
MadelynIris said:
ahhh.. but is there a victim in adultery? No one is getting hurt are they?
Irvine511 said:can you answer my questions:
1. why do you *think* homosexuality is wrong
2. who is hurt by a homosexual relationship
namkcuR said:I am totally and completely 100% FOR gay rights.
In my experience I've found that people who think homosexuality is wrong think so because they don't know it. People fear/turn away from what they don't know. I know that's a very oversimplified way of putting it, but I believe if you strip away all the political/religious stuff that goes with it, and all of the other stuff that goes with it, that that is what the root of it is.
In my experience I've found that people who think homosexuality is wrong think so because they don't know it. People fear/turn away from what they don't know. I know that's a very oversimplified way of putting it, but I believe if you strip away all the political/religious stuff that goes with it, and all of the other stuff that goes with it, that that is what the root of it is.
but I believe if you strip away all the political/religious stuff that goes with it, and all of the other stuff that goes with it, that that is what the root of it is.