Psssssst... it's cause they're racists.
Psssssst... it's cause they're racists.
Haha. Yeah.
I think we should outlaw comedy now. It’s not worth the risk of someone’s feelings getting hurt.
but WHERE IS THE LINE???yes, how horrible it must be for sarah sanders that someone publicly accused her of lying. surely this slander is going to affect her sterling reputation.
Should we ask the people on Twitter? I’m sure they’re saying there’s a line, or there ought to be.
Well, I assume like me you'd object to racist or sexist jokes.
So we all agree there should be a line...the only dispute is where to draw it. Some of us are more comfortable with hate and vitriol than Michelle Obama and I are. That's cool.
Can you give me some quotes from that evening that lay out the hate and vitriol that have you so upset?
I’m assuming the racism and sexism will be readily apparent to everyone.
But I didn't say the jokes were racist or sexist.
Oh, I see. You implied that they were.
I guess you were saying that if you object to racism or sexism, you must therefore object to this past weekend’s roast, but not because it was racist or sexist.
(sigh).
I was saying, as you should have known, that there's always a line, and that if you think, for example, racism and sexism crosses a line, but cruelly mocking someone to their face doesn't, it just means that you place the line differently than others would.
In any event, it is possible, Irvine511, to object to something that was neither racist or sexist.
I’m waiting for the hate and vitriol, but not the racism and sexism that you implied but then denied were present.
I’m waiting for the hate and vitriol
(sigh).
I was saying, as you should have known, that there's always a line, and that if you think, for example, racism and sexism crosses a line, but cruelly mocking someone to their face doesn't, it just means that you place the line differently than others would.
In any event, it is possible, Irvine511, to object to something that was neither racist or sexist.
I didn't imply, you inferred.
If I thought the routine was racist or sexist, I would have said "the routine was racist and sexist."
I'm sure you are.
Well, I assume like me you'd object to racist or sexist jokes.
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I didn't imply, you inferred.
Saying that someone else's vitriol and incivility is an excuse for your (and that's a rhetorical "your") own is a child's argument. I don't judge myself or other people based on the behaviour of Trump and his crew...that's a race to the bottom. Which is pretty much where we're at.
Of course, in the past this event has always featured humour which takes to task the WH and reporters covering it, and that's appropriate. But at the end of the day it's not supposed to be mean spirited. I think one reporter put it well....the humour is supposed to "singe, not burn." There has been some stuff that pushed the boundaries before, but there's a reason that even the press and organisers are distancing themselves from it this time.
And I don't buy the straw man "this is what comedy is supposed to do, etc." That's not the purpose of this event. If the whole thing is just to viciously insult people, they should just call it off. In fact they should get rid of it anyway. What's the point if it's just going to be another excuse to engage in partisan bashing. And the DC press corps and the politicians they cover are too close anyway.
I didn't find any of the routine offensive, I just thought she sounded mean (especially to Huckabee-Sanders) at points, and unnecessarily so. Some people are comfortable with that, and whatever, that's fine. I'm sure everyone who thinks Trump is Hitler and his press secretary is Goebbels, cackled, squealed and giggled to their heart's delight through the whole thing.
But that's not the shape of my heart.
Come on man, this absolutely implies that the subject at hand (Wolf's routine) included racist & sexist jokes.
I don’t think there is a line in comedy. It’s subjective. If you don’t like a joke, if it hurts a feeling of yours, it’s not a crime. You have to move on.
let me guess - it's a rhombus.
Saying that someone else's vitriol and incivility is an excuse for your (and that's a rhetorical "your") own is a child's argument. I don't judge myself or other people based on the behaviour of Trump and his crew...that's a race to the bottom. Which is pretty much where we're at.
Of course, in the past this event has always featured humour which takes to task the WH and reporters covering it, and that's appropriate. But at the end of the day it's not supposed to be mean spirited. I think one reporter put it well....the humour is supposed to "singe, not burn." There has been some stuff that pushed the boundaries before, but there's a reason that even the press and organisers are distancing themselves from it this time.
And I don't buy the straw man "this is what comedy is supposed to do, etc." That's not the purpose of this event. If the whole thing is just to viciously insult people, they should just call it off. In fact they should get rid of it anyway. What's the point if it's just going to be another excuse to engage in partisan bashing. And the DC press corps and the politicians they cover are too close anyway.
I didn't find any of the routine offensive, I just thought she sounded mean (especially to Huckabee-Sanders) at points, and unnecessarily so. Some people are comfortable with that, and whatever, that's fine. I'm sure everyone who thinks Trump is Hitler and his press secretary is Goebbels, cackled, squealed and giggled to their heart's delight through the whole thing.
But that's not the shape of my heart.
Agreed. Thanks for being a reasonable voice among the partisan zealots on this site. We all know that if the tables were turned and a hypothetical President Clinton had been so attacked, most in this forum would be rabidly defending her and calling the personal attacks as sexist, demand apologies and organizing boycotts of the comedians sponsors. Wolf has rightly been admonished by many on the right and the left.
Agreed. Thanks for being a reasonable voice among the partisan zealots on this site. We all know that if the tables were turned and a hypothetical President Clinton had been so attacked, most in this forum would be rabidly defending her and calling the personal attacks as sexist, demand apologies and organizing boycotts of the comedians sponsors. Wolf has rightly been admonished by many on the right and the left.