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FYM posters that so gleefully noted each drop in GWB's poll numbers now seem mysteriously silent.
Republicans in Congress have voted more than 40 times to kill Obamacare. Most Republican governors have tried to block it. Rick Scott, Florida’s governor, banned workers signing up the uninsured from using government offices in his state. Missouri and Ohio hampered the dissemination of information about Obamacare. The insurance commissioner of Georgia has said “we are doing everything in our power” to obstruct it. Since the maps of where uninsured Americans live and where Republicans are elected are almost the same, the federal government had to take more responsibility and build a bigger system than it had anticipated.
It is difficult to be an effective manager when one political party only cares about your destruction-
That really is a poor excuse. Seriously. Every president deals with this.
I was having this conversation with an office holder friend of mine; party line people vote party line because that's what they've always done. And if the other guy wins, they're upset but they move on. But every once in awhile a certain issue will come up and the vitriol will fly. Never have I seen this hatred start before the man took office. Reagan divided, Clinton divided, Bush number 2 really divided, but it was over issues. BUT after the Bush 2 division things got ugly. He said he's never seen it like this, and he's been a player since Reagan(and a big time Reagan supporter).
Reagan - maybe you're right. Perhaps his personality and ability to work with the Dems should be be considered a factor.
Bush Sr. - was actually popular until the year before the election.
Clinton - he was hated by the right (he was impeached for goodness sake!). Yet, somehow - he was able to get the economy going by working with a Republican House and Senate. Perhaps his personality and ability to work with the Republicans should be be considered a factor.
And GW - he was derided and made fun of constantly. Much worse than Obama. Bush II did have some bi-partisan support after 9/11 - but it slowly turned into cries of "Bush lied! Traitor! Terrorist!"
After reading "Team of Rivals" (about Lincoln and his presidency) a few years back, I'm fairly convinced it's always been like this more or less. The only difference now is that we don't have to walk down to the town green to hear this crap - it comes directly into our house.
That really is a poor excuse. Seriously. Every president deals with this.
It's a good article. This bears repeating: It is difficult to be an effective manager when one political party only cares about your destruction, and could care less about actually governing.
Wrong. Not like this.
I think you're forgetting how much hatred and vitriol there was during the GW years. Bush was the butt of jokes on a nightly basis and protesters demanding he be arrested for war crimes. Ironically, by the end of the second term - the only people that liked Bush were the men and women in the Armed Forces.
Sorry - I won't concede that Obama has had it worse.
And this is why nothing gets done.The parties are the same to me because politicians are the same to me - the bottom of the barrel of our society.
Wrong. Not like this.
Apples and oranges...There was no internet in the 70's or 80's but the distain for Nixon and Reagan in the media, pop culture ant the opposition party was obvious. Maybe you need to listen to some old U2 bootlegs with the Ronald Raygun rants.
And that's way too easy...And show me a statement by a conservative major media person about Barack Obama that comes close to what Martin Bashir said about Sarah Palin last week on MSNBC.
And this is why nothing gets done.
Maybe, just maybe, there are levels in the barrel that you need to take a look at.
It think it's easy to find supporting evidence that INDY is correct here. Conservative leaders are universally bashed by pop culture.
If anything, Obama has failed despite being given the benefit of the doubt in the early years of his presidency (it was all Bush's fault). Now, he's lost that support and starting to lose support from pop culture (and fellow Dems.)
To any neutral observer, this has been (and will probably continue to be) a weak presidency.
You keep saying it's not worth discussing as if the statement is more or less self-evident. So does NBC, so does INDY. Meanwhile, there's a vast amount of information that directly contradicts you three, so I'm not sure why we have to keep having this merry-go-round.Maybe, but it's like comparing diarrhea to soft stool - at a certain point, the difference is not worth discussing.
It think it's easy to find supporting evidence that INDY is correct here. Conservative leaders are universally bashed by pop culture.
If anything, Obama has failed despite being given the benefit of the doubt in the early years of his presidency (it was all Bush's fault). Now, he's lost that support and starting to lose support from pop culture (and fellow Dems.)
To any neutral observer, this has been (and will probably continue to be) a weak presidency.