Irvine511
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A game of "but he STARTED it" seems te least productive way to address this particular conflict or the broader conflict.
Irvine511 said:A game of "but he STARTED it" seems te least productive way to address this particular conflict or the broader conflict.
AchtungBono said:Uh uh.....not THIS time sweeties.....we have 75,000 troops lined up and ready to make mincemeat out of those idiots in bedsheets.
While I appreciate that this is a complex & difficult situation, this kind of ugly rhetoric doesn't help.
AchtungBono said:Uh uh.....not THIS time sweeties.....we have 75,000 troops lined up and ready to make mincemeat out of those idiots in bedsheets.
If Mexico lobbed missiles at New York City day after day, do you think the U.S. would wait for 12 years and just take it?.....I don't think the U.S, would wait 12 SECONDS let alone 12 years.
So what we have is many millions of non-indigenous recent migrants holding land and dictating to millions of people that have lived on this land for hundreds of years.
deep said:that really is not true, it is a false premise that some 'religious minded' people put out there
but it is not only a false premise, but also false in practice.
a person could be a full blooded Swede, able to trace his ancestry back 1000s of years in Europe. If he chose to convert to Judaism he could and would be granted a full Israeli citizenship with full privileges over a person that was born what is called Israel, if that person is not Jewish.
He/she could trace their ancestry back to the time of Jesus, and have lived on that same land continuously.
Again, how can anyone make a rational argument for non-citizenship in one's ancestral homeland oven a non middle
easterner, European being given full citizenship.
Once, I started letting go of religion influencing my beliefs, I went to the concept of is this the 'the right' or 'most' right thing to do. Why should one sides religious arguments have more sway than the other side?
I hope that you stay safe, AchtungBono, as well as your family and friends. I imagine everyone must be really tired and frustrated of this situation dragging on for years, and actually decades.
But the above analogy is poor because it isn't as if the US is occupying the Yucatan peninsula or some other part of the contiguous Mexican state or expanding its cities in southern Texas across the border and then annexing large parts of the land around them.
In no way am I suggesting that the latest militant behaviour by Hamas is acceptable, but this is not a simple conflict that has clear lines of delineation like what you suggest with NYC above.
So my analogy is quite appropriate.
it becomes harder and harder to be 100% align with the Israeli government and all the people that have migrated there over the last 5-6 decades
the Israeli population is comprised of many millions of non-middle eastern people, these people are former Americans, both North and South, European and Soviet peoples. They have migrated to this part of the middle east called many things; Palestine, Israel, West Bank, Gaza, Holy Land, Judea and Samaria.
So what we have is many millions of non-indigenous recent migrants holding land and dictating to millions of people that have lived on this land for hundreds of years.
What is the rational for saying Israel has no fault in this situation?
Forgive me (and others) if I don't think an Israeli has the most objective outlook on the situation there.
No it is not.
The USA is not placing Mexico under a naval and ground blockade, does not control its borders or in any other way, does not control its airspace, does not control its imports/exports, does not control whether Mexicans from the the state of Yucatan can travel to the state of Chihuahua, etc. It is a completely different situation and a nonsensical analogy.
Masked gunmen publicly shot dead six suspected collaborators with Israel in a large Gaza City intersection Tuesday, witnesses said. An Associated Press reporter saw a large mob surrounding five of the bloodied corpses shortly after the killing.
Some in the crowd stomped and spit on the bodies. A sixth corpse was tied to a motorcycle and dragged through the streets as people screamed, "Spy! Spy!"
The Hamas military wing, Izzedine al-Qassam, claimed responsibility in a large handwritten note attached to a nearby electricity pole. Hamas said the six were killed because they gave Israel information about fighters and rocket launching sites.
It doesn't negate your opinion at all. But it certainly distorts it.What do you mean?
I live here, I'm the one enduring missile attacks, I'm the one who's living in a land surrounded by hostile neighbors who want me wiped off the face of the earth.
How does that negate my opinion just because I'm Israeli? Quite the opposite, BECAUSE I'm an Israeli I am more qualified to speak my opinion because I know the actual facts on the ground whereas you and the world only get the distorted version.
That being said, I do respect your opinion and everybody elses.
How does that negate my opinion just because I'm Israeli? Quite the opposite, BECAUSE I'm an Israeli I am more qualified to speak my opinion because I know the actual facts on the ground whereas you and the world only get the distorted version.
This is disturbing:
Hamas Kills 6 Suspected Israel Collaborators: Witnesses (GRAPHIC PHOTO)
If the Palestinians weren't so barbaric like this, they would get more global support. Why couldn't they just hold these alleged spies hostage instead of immediately killing them and causing global outrage?
Here you go generalizing again. I know you don't mean to, but you need to choose your words carefully. A distinction needs to be made between Hamas and everyday Palestinians who want a peaceful outcome to the regional crisis.