Interference Random Music Talk Pt XVII-Lance's Mom Ed.-Jizz the Bang and the Splatter

[iron yuppie]

Is anybody here very well-versed in '50s (and possibly early '60s) jazz?

Please say word, if so.

I might be able to help you here. I'd consider myself well-versed in jazz. You can be the judge of the "very."

 

[lazarus]

I don't know about that...Oasis seems to be the most reviled band among Pitchfork writers. Every mention of Oasis, whether it be Definitely Maybe or Don't Believe the Truth, is loaded with vitriol. The review of Heathen Chemisty is still the most biased, inane piece of writing that I've seen on the site - absolutely devoid of any shred of what might be considered journalistic merit.

But maybe I'll be wrong. I actually hope that I'll be wrong in this regard.

If Wonderwall or Champagne Supernova get on this list and Won doesn't I am filling up two tanks of gasoline: one in my car and the other that I'm going to use to burn those motherfuckers to the ground.

 

[cobl04]

can anyone give me some Built to Spill recommendations? they're playing at this new year's eve festival i'm going to this year.

It's easy for one to say "who cares", but it bugs me that bands like Guns 'n' Roses (among many others) are getting major props while they're relegated to "See also:" status.

this. i don't particularly care either, when it boils down to it it's just another arbitrary list made by some high-and-mighty white dudes who have the most unbelievable, intricate hip-hop understanding, but i really do love U2 and i would like to think that one could pull the pole out of one's ass for a moment and recognise that they are (or were) a very good band.

 

[iron yuppie]

If Wonderwall or Champagne Supernova get on this list and Won doesn't I am filling up two tanks of gasoline: one in my car and the other that I'm going to use to burn those motherfuckers to the ground.

You're not an Oasis fan, I take it. How much of that is owing to MadForIt?

 

[If you shout...]

I might be able to help you here. I'd consider myself well-versed in jazz. You can be the judge of the "very."

PM'd.

 

[LemonMelon]

can anyone give me some Built to Spill recommendations? they're playing at this new year's eve festival i'm going to this year.

Friggin lucky Cobbler.

Keep It Like A Secret is one of my favorite albums of all time, so I would personally recommend that as a starting point. It also happens to be their most accessible, so there's that going for it. Perfect From Now On is its ragged and sprawling older brother; that one, together with KILAS, will give you a great picture of what the band is all about.

 

[martha]

PM'd.

I was hoping this discussion would be public.

 

[If you shout...]

Don't wanna hijack the thread, that's all. You're more than welcome to participate, should you know your jazz...

 

[No spoken words]

It's a random music thread...I'd have thought a discussion about jazz would have been a welcome thing, not a hijacking.

 

[Dalton]

I'm just now looking at the P4K best of 90s thing. I was thinking to myself, if somehow they don't put any PJ songs on the list, I'm going to punch a stranger in the street. Then, two things happened: I realized that it's pointless to even give two shits about this list. And then, as I was scrolling, Yellow Ledbetter showed up. So I put my brass knuckles away.

I've been drinking (a lot) tonight, but don't let that dampen the fact that this post made me laugh.

 

[lazarus]

You're not an Oasis fan, I take it. How much of that is owing to MadForIt?

I still enjoy their first two albums to an extent. My point is that if they're going to acknowledge anthemic stadium songs, they shouldn't play such favorites. Even if one wants to argue that the lyrics to Won are wannabe-inspirational pablum (which they're clearly not, as anyone reading them can easily see the bitterness), Wonderwall and Champagne Supernova are even bigger bunch of nonsense. And while some people still get a nostalgic smile when they hear the Oasis tracks, I don't know how one can discount how big Won became.

I understand that Won represents Shuttlecock at their best and spiritual-balm-for-everyone worst at the same time, but it would be like not putting Imagine on a Top Songs list because you find it trite. It's inspired too many people to ignore.

 

[Dalton]

I'm glad to see D'Angelo's Brown Sugar on the list. I got a lot of action to that song.

 

[Dalton]

GAF, when I said "action" I meant "pussy".

Via Chicago is in my top 10 for the decade.

 

[iron yuppie]

I still enjoy their first two albums to an extent. My point is that if they're going to acknowledge anthemic stadium songs, they shouldn't play such favorites.

I see your point, and agree that they show blatant favoritism (such as titling a news story "New Spoon Album: YES!!!!!"). But I doubt that they are going to change now.

 

[martha]

Don't wanna hijack the thread, that's all. You're more than welcome to participate, should you know your jazz...

See below about the hijacking thing.

I don't know shit about it, thus the hope for a public discussion.

It's a random music thread...I'd have thought a discussion about jazz would have been a welcome thing, not a hijacking.

 

[cobl04]

let's get the Jazz discussion going. the only proper jazz album i have is Kind of Blue. i actually found it quite good and surprisingly moving in some parts (Blue in Green is incredibly desolate) but it's not something i could listen to over and over.

a lot of the albums i've fallen in love with over the past year or so (Aja, Endtroducing, Protection) i love because they have jazz elements to them, but aren't exclusively jazz. i guess what i'm saying is i don't think i have the patience or the interest to sit around and listen to proper jazz albums from start to finish, though reading reviews/descriptions/stories of many of them (Atomic Basie, Duke Ellington and so on) intrigued me.

Friggin lucky Cobbler.

Keep It Like A Secret is one of my favorite albums of all time, so I would personally recommend that as a starting point. It also happens to be their most accessible, so there's that going for it. Perfect From Now On is its ragged and sprawling older brother; that one, together with KILAS, will give you a great picture of what the band is all about.

awesome, thanks. i saw their name and clung to it, as it doesn't have a very good line up (N*E*R*D and Temper Trap, somehow now the best Australian band ever, are headlining, and the rest is Aussie alternative/indie crap and shithouse Aussie hip hop).

gotta check out some Arrested Development as well, they're playing.

 

[Jive Turkey]

gotta check out some Arrested Development as well, they're playing.

You mean, like... the Mr Wendal Arrested Development? They're still around???

 

[No spoken words]

I don't know shit about it, thus the hope for a public discussion.

Same here....was hoping to learn something from IY and IYS.

 

[No spoken words]

You mean, like... the Mr Wendal Arrested Development? They're still around???

Go punch an Eskimo.

 

[cobl04]

You mean, like... the Mr Wendal Arrested Development? They're still around???

apparently, yeah. i had to go onto wikipedia to see what you were talking about, as i couldn't name a song of theirs. i hear they're good?

 

[corianderstem]

Their debut album was pretty big, and I still do like Tennessee and Mr Wendal, but they were rather preachy. I have no idea what they did after that. An MTV Unplugged, and then .... ?

Wasn't the main guy's name Speech? I remember he was from Milwaukee. That's all I've got.

 

[bono_212]

I know some tracks went up to $1.29 a while back, while some remained at $.99 - something about removing the protection? Or upping the quality? I don't remember, since I use it so rarely.

I think album prices remained the same. Could be wrong.

The mighty iTunes couldn't just allow us peons to download their music DRM free. Are you mad?! A company that would just let you do that no questions asked would immediately go out of business! ( Amazon.com MP3 Music Store ) Why the sheer lunacy of the idea of giving music away without any kind of right protection for .99 is just madness! ( Amazon.com MP3 Music Store ). So, hey, we'll allow you to download select tracks for $.99, but if it's a popular song, you're going to have to download them for $1.29. Oh, and full albums are going to be $9.99 no matter what. Surely asking us to offer them for a lower price, is of course, the very idea of idiocy ( Amazon.com MP3 Downloads: 100/$5 - 100 Albums for $5 Each )

 

[If you shout...]

Looking for era- and tempo-specific suggestions for a wedding reception I suddenly need to score. My possible playlist just jumped from two hours to four, thanks to IY. God, I love Bill Evans.

 

[iron yuppie]

let's get the Jazz discussion going. the only proper jazz album i have is Kind of Blue. i actually found it quite good and surprisingly moving in some parts (Blue in Green is incredibly desolate) but it's not something i could listen to over and over.

This will sound cliched, but of about three-hundred jazz albums that I've heard, Kind of Blue is still the best. The mood and musicianship is astonishing. It's the kind of album that continues to reward me, even after dozens of listens.

As for jazz in general, I think that it functions best as mood music. I listen to it while I'm reading or studying, and I find that it helps me focus. Appreciating jazz, I think, is about stepping outside the conventional music listening experience. If one does not look at albums as coherent wholes, then jazz will be difficult to enjoy. Of course, that's not to render any judgment on anyone's tastes - rather just a general appraisal of how jazz works.

 

[corianderstem]

Ha. Well done, Ashley.

IYS, can you clarify? Era-specific and tempo-specific - as in "Here are some songs from the 50s that are good for a wedding, here are some slow songs that are good for dancing" That sort of thing?

Or are you looking for specific eras and tempos?

 

[LemonMelon]

I'm not certain my palette is sophisticated enough to appreciate the jazz, but Bill Cosby keeps emphasizing its importance, so I've given the genre a fair chance.

Frankly, my difficulty with the genre lies in the fact that it's not easy for me to tell tracks and albums apart. I can tell the subgenres apart...I know the difference between free jazz, cool jazz and bop, but when it comes to individual tracks, forget it. Beyond that, I simply don't know that many jazz artists. It's all Miles, Monk, Coltrane and Brubeck for me. My favorite record of the genre is Mingus' The Black Saint And The Sinner Lady; I really admire its lush quality, which can be likely attributed to its overdubs, an innovation for the time.

 

[If you shout...]

Either hilariously or depressingly, jazz until pretty recently (in the grand scheme of things) was a very conventional music listening experience.

 

[If you shout...]

Listen to this:

 

[iron yuppie]

Same here....was hoping to learn something from IY and IYS.

I'd love to talk seriously about jazz, but it's such an expansive topic that I wouldn't know where to start.

 

[If you shout...]

Also, if you're looking to get into jazz, don't let me convince you to start with John Zorn.