Dalton
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HTDAAB is the only album of theirs that I've taken completely out of my library.
Interference Random Music Talk Pt XVII-Lance's Mom Ed.-Jizz the Bang and the Splatter
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cobl04
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i haven't listened to Hutdab in an extremely long time. City of Blinding Lights is still a great song.
having watched Pulp Fiction on Saturday night, i understand this. this is the first time i have ever understood one of the swathe of movie jokes that get made around these parts.
this is a momentous occasion.
having watched Pulp Fiction on Saturday night, i understand this. this is the first time i have ever understood one of the swathe of movie jokes that get made around these parts.
this is a momentous occasion.
lazarus
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Friggin' Swather.
LemonMelon
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfG5zN5sVTQ
Awesome.
I think I may be a bigger fan of RHP at this point than Sun Kil Moon, but I'll save that opinion until I hear Ghosts of The Great Highway, which is supposedly their best.
Awesome.
I think I may be a bigger fan of RHP at this point than Sun Kil Moon, but I'll save that opinion until I hear Ghosts of The Great Highway, which is supposedly their best.
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Jesus, I haven't listened to Red House Painters at any length in like five years. Not because the material's bad, of course! It's just been a while. Good call. Awesome stuff.
It's the one album of theirs I have major issues with.
I feel like All That You Can't Leave Behind is their only album in the last decade that actually "works" as an album in regards to flow, sound, theme, etc. No Line would have mostly worked had it not been for a few really out of place songs. Unfortunately, two of those were chosen as singes as well....can't imagine why the album didn't sell like gangbusters! Bomb's songs were obviously created in different sessions, with different producers, who were trying to achieve different sounds and ideas. Even the songs that were supposed to "rock" were so overly worked and produced that they lacked any real sense of rock or emotion. Songs like Sometimes, A Man and a Woman, and Original of Species make Coldplay look edgy in comparison. Aside from 3 album tracks, and two they didn't think were good enough for the album, there's nothing else from that era I ever find myself wanting to listen to.
PhilsFan
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ATYCLB has the weakest songs of any U2 album.
I think that privilege belongs to October.
PhilsFan
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I tend to disagree. Basically the entire second half of ATYCLB is unlistenable to me. I like October.
lazarus
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Well are we talking "songs" in terms of writing, or the actual finished products?
I'd find it hard to argue that Cocktober is a better-written album, for one because it's not very sophisticated, and second because Boner had to make up all new lyrics after losing the originals.
If one wants to say that the clarity of Lillyliver's production on the older album is superior to the hodge-podge team on HTMAAS, I can get behind that. The rockers have nowhere near the vitality of something like GloryHole.
I'd find it hard to argue that Cocktober is a better-written album, for one because it's not very sophisticated, and second because Boner had to make up all new lyrics after losing the originals.
If one wants to say that the clarity of Lillyliver's production on the older album is superior to the hodge-podge team on HTMAAS, I can get behind that. The rockers have nowhere near the vitality of something like GloryHole.
martha
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Maybe my second or third favorite U2 album.
PhilsFan
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I just think the songs are stronger. Obviously, lyrically, October is not particularly strong, but Bono's lyrics have been almost universally bad since Pop, with a disappointingly small number of exceptions. Musically, October's definitely better, as much of ATYCLB is just plain boring.
I'm comparing it to ATYCLB, not HTDAAB, by the way.
October definitely has a lot more vitality that ATYCLB, but I think as far as an actual album that's cohesive all the way through, ATYCLB is clearly better to me. And though the point is taken about Bono's lyrics, I find the obvious lack of polish on them for most of October distracting to the point that I can't really get past them.
lazarus
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LOL I totally read you wrong on which comparison you were making.
Yes, ATYCLC is certainly more boring, but I wouldn't rate it lower just because it doesn't rock as hard. For me, I tend to admire diversity the most from bands, and with every Shuttlecock album from Joshua Cock onward, none of the songs sound the same; each one is a fresh enterprise for better or worse.
And while I don't like the direction of the album, I can't deny the craft and sophistication that went into it. I've never been a huge fan of Beautiful Play, but they clearly struck gold with it, from a lyrical and melodic perspective. It's the little touches on the album that prevent me from completely discounting it: the watery guitar and Boner's bitterness in Cock on Earth, that minimalist guitar solo on When I Look At The Serve, the weathered, soulful vocal on In A Little Rally, the gospel spirit on Stuck (despite the canned production), Beano's magic on Ace, etc.
That the sum of the parts being better than the whole is its major flaw (same as HTMAAS) but song for song Cocktober just doesn't have a whole lot of weapons--it has to be the most homogenous, unmemorable collection of songs the band has ever put out. I couldn't even tell you how most of the songs on Side 2 go. It has energy, and a couple new tricks to follow BallBoy, but it's without a doubt a step down from its predecessor.
lazarus
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So on Pitchfork's Tracks of the 90's list, Shuttlecock gets another honorable mention for Cock (Faraway, So Close!), under the entry for Ryan Beano and John Cale's Lay My Love.
But hey, the instantly-dated bombast of November Rain was apparently good enough to make it legitimately.
But hey, the instantly-dated bombast of November Rain was apparently good enough to make it legitimately.
GirlsAloudFan
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I'm just now looking at the P4K best of 90s thing. I was thinking to myself, if somehow they don't put any PJ songs on the list, I'm going to punch a stranger in the street. Then, two things happened: I realized that it's pointless to even give two shits about this list. And then, as I was scrolling, Yellow Ledbetter showed up. So I put my brass knuckles away.
GirlsAloudFan
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Although it would have been cooler if it had been something off of No Code or Yield.
You guys have any guesses for what might show up in the Top 10? I'm bored. I know cobbler predicted Paranoid Android earlier. That's not a bad guess at all, IMO.
You guys have any guesses for what might show up in the Top 10? I'm bored. I know cobbler predicted Paranoid Android earlier. That's not a bad guess at all, IMO.
iron yuppie
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That's an excellent point, and is true, I think, of the entirety of U2's 2000s catalogue. I listen to individual tracks from ATYCLB, Bomb, and No Line quite frequently, but rarely to the whole albums. I think that "Beautiful Day," "All Because of You" (though I'll be in the minority there - I think that is has tremendous energy and some of Edge's rawest guitar work), "Magnificent," and "Breathe" are all great songs, but they all seem somehow out of place on their respective albums.
U2's most thematically and musically coherent album, I think, is Pop. It really feels like a raver gone awry; the protagonist starts the night in a penthouse club and ends it on the bathroom floor. It's an experience onto itself, which I think can only be said of a few U2 albums.
iron yuppie
ONE love, blood, life
Since Animal Collective were not yet around, I have no idea what will top the list. But I do find it amusing that the Pitchfork writers have suddenly become hip-hop aficionados for this list. Something about the way they so earnestly try to describe the cultural environment in which artists like Wu-Tang lived and worked strikes me as incredibly pretentious.
GirlsAloudFan
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Eh, let them pretend to be black for a little while. It might be the only fun they have for months.
PhilsFan
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Wouldn't Pavement top their 90s list?
GirlsAloudFan
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I'd guess Gold Soundz would be their representative Pavement song, but I'm not positive. And, yeah, it'll probably be very high.
PhilsFan
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PlTCHFORK UNDERSTANDS BLACK PEOPLE
LemonMelon
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Having read Pitchfork for years...
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow
Neutral Milk Hotel - Holland, 1945
Pavement - Summer Babe (Winter Version)
Massive Attack - Teardrop
Bjork - All Is Full Of Love
Outkast - Rosa Parks
Pulp - Common People
The Flaming Lips - Waitin' For A Superman
Weezer - Buddy Holly
A wild guess at the top 10.
Radiohead - Paranoid Android
My Bloody Valentine - Only Shallow
Neutral Milk Hotel - Holland, 1945
Pavement - Summer Babe (Winter Version)
Massive Attack - Teardrop
Bjork - All Is Full Of Love
Outkast - Rosa Parks
Pulp - Common People
The Flaming Lips - Waitin' For A Superman
Weezer - Buddy Holly
A wild guess at the top 10.
lazarus
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Umm, forgetting the likely #1, Smells Like Teen Spirit?
No way in hell The Flaming Lips place that high. And it would be Race for the Prize, anyway.
Would it kill them to include Mysterious Plays? And I wouldn't count out Won; they can't really deny its longevity or power over the years, even if they'd call it generic.
Also, if that pic above is what the actual P-Fork editors look like (a fat Mark Ibold look-alike on the left and Ben Gibbard clone on the right), they're in even more need of a serious beatdown.
No way in hell The Flaming Lips place that high. And it would be Race for the Prize, anyway.
Would it kill them to include Mysterious Plays? And I wouldn't count out Won; they can't really deny its longevity or power over the years, even if they'd call it generic.
Also, if that pic above is what the actual P-Fork editors look like (a fat Mark Ibold look-alike on the left and Ben Gibbard clone on the right), they're in even more need of a serious beatdown.
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
VH1 would pull Smells Like Teen Spirit, but Pitchfork would more likely use All Apologies unplugged or something. No chance of it winning outright.
One will be top 30, but I doubt it'll crack the top 10.
One will be top 30, but I doubt it'll crack the top 10.
lazarus
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I can see them trying to go with a unique choice for the top spot, but if you don't think it's getting into the Top 10 you're fucking insane.
GirlsAloudFan
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Yeah, you never know with these 'fork lists.
I mean, they put "Since U Been Gone" at like #20 on their top tracks of the 2000's list. If they're that open to cookie-cutter, conveyor belt pop music, will we see fucking "I Want It That Way" or "...Baby One More Time" show up high on this thing? Who knows? Who cares is probably the better question.
Also, Laz, much to your dismay I'm sure, I guarantee an Oasis song will show up relatively high. Probably either Wonderwall or Champagne Supernova. Maybe Live Forever.
I mean, they put "Since U Been Gone" at like #20 on their top tracks of the 2000's list. If they're that open to cookie-cutter, conveyor belt pop music, will we see fucking "I Want It That Way" or "...Baby One More Time" show up high on this thing? Who knows? Who cares is probably the better question.
Also, Laz, much to your dismay I'm sure, I guarantee an Oasis song will show up relatively high. Probably either Wonderwall or Champagne Supernova. Maybe Live Forever.
