After a year...what do you think about NLOTH?

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I still consider the album to be my favorite (U2 album) of the 2000's.

1. No Line On The Horizon -- Absolutely love this song as much as the first time I heard it. I like this version better than NLOTH 2.

2. Magnificent - Another brilliant track. This was the true standout track when I listened the album when it first streamed on MySpace.

3. Moment Of Surrender - Maybe I just haven't "got" this track yet. I was never a fan of the slower, longer songs. I usually skip it.

4. Unknown Caller - An average U2 tune. Nothing real special about it, but it isn't bad either. I enjoyed it more live than on the album. I usually don't skip it though.

5. I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight - Another average U2 tune. I am a huge fan of the 360 version. It was definitely one of the highlights of the tour for me.

6. Get On Your Boots - This "song" still sucks.

7. Stand Up Comedy - I don't understand all the hate regarding this song. Maybe its the fact that it's the U2 sound fusing with one of my other favorites, Led Zeppelin. Its probably my third favorite song not he album.

8. Fez/Being Born - I still can't believe this managed to make the album (in a good way). This track is out there; almost Passengers/Zooropa 2 track. I don't listen to it frequently, but I do enjoy the track.

9. White As Snow - Another average song. I love the lyrics, but I am just not a huge fan of the slow songs. I felt that it didn't with the rest of the album which was very fast paced and different.

10. Breathe - This song made a killer opening in 360. I enjoy listening to it a lot and is my fourth favorite on the album. Just a generally fun song.

11. Cedars Of Lebanon - I don't know why, but this song reminds me a little bit like "Love Is Blindness". A great song though.

I agree with this ALMOST 100%. Right on.

I disagree with:

Moment of Surrender. Great song, a bit too long. The ATM machine can go. Great live with the ending rap.

Get on Your Boots. First time I heard it I thought it was horrendous. Worst U2 song by far. What were they thinking. "you don't know how beautiful you are". Awful

However, has grown tremendously on me LIVE

White as Snow. Love this one. Has grown as well.
 
I love magnificent, no line, boots, unknown caller, but i favor ATYCLB & HTDAAB much more then this album..:up:
 
I still enjoy the album very much. I would say it's their most complete album, certainly since Achtung Baby.

I just wanted to mention here that I recently picked up all the different versions of the album in mint condition on *bay for £50. I have to say, those who paid full price for the deluxe box where robbed. The soft backed book version, I think was the best value this time around.

I wonder how much the 360 box set will be worth in 1 year?
 
I don't listen a lot of U2 these days.... more Muse and harder things, but NLOTH stayed on top of my list (N° 3 or 4). Songs are still fresh, new, innovative, I like it a lot!
HTDAAB seems to be 20 years old now.... NLOTH seems new to me.

Great work, great album!:applaud:


Forgot to say that the 360 tour is below my expectations though, and the band isn't as good as previous tours...

Wow you have to be the first person to have said that about the 360 tour, which was widely praised by fans and critics alike, but each to their own I guess..What do you mean by "the band weren't as good" i.e. they aren't playing as well, don't interact with the crowd etc?
 
Evidently, U2 don't think much of the album now, as they've dropped all but 4 songs from the setlists. By comparison, Achtung Baby still had 8 songs in the setlist TWO YEARS after it's release, and that's after the newer Zooropa album had been released.

I really believe they are only playing GOYB out of a sense of obligation, to show they stand by their choice in 1st single. Crazy Tonight isn't even the album version. I think they truly do enjoy playing MOS and Magnificent, which I think we all knew would be the 2 songs from this album to stand the test of time.
 
Evidently, U2 don't think much of the album now, as they've dropped all but 4 songs from the setlists. By comparison, Achtung Baby still had 8 songs in the setlist TWO YEARS after it's release, and that's after the newer Zooropa album had been released.
It's not 1992 anymore, the world and the industry have changed tremenously. Also much different albums, AB didn't have 2 obvious tracks that would never make it live. It is a shame though not to have NLOTH and UC, and that Fez was never tried live.


I really believe they are only playing GOYB out of a sense of obligation, to show they stand by their choice in 1st single. Crazy Tonight isn't even the album version. I think they truly do enjoy playing MOS and Magnificent, which I think we all knew would be the 2 songs from this album to stand the test of time.

What are you basing that crazy speculation on? The song may have not been a hit single wise but it makes the crowd go crazy. Crazy remix :drool:
 
As a dude who is an EDM dj.....who still plays vinyl and CDs in public......and a person who bought the Limited Edition Vinyl (I have 2 techs and I love U2 so I *had* to get it)

I gotta say apart from the remix of crazy being fun during the concert....no professional EDM Dj is gonna drop that in their set.

Whereas I remember DJs dropping the Lemon remixes way back when.

It ain't nothing to go crazy about.

Regardless, I've been listening less and less to NLOTH and hope the next album is mindblowing.

Breath, MOS, NLOTH, Magnificent are the best tracks in my opinion.

I love U2....so I can let this record slide....
 
After every U2 release, I get all excited and enjoy all the new songs. Then I start dissecting and see what I really like or don't. Time has changed opinions (both ways).

However, for NLOTH, I find I still enjoy the album very much. In fact, I am listening to it now! It is by far my favorite U2 album from the 00's.
 
I can't speak for professional DJs, but I didn't like not ONE of the 'Lemon' remixes. They were all awful. The Jeep mix one was passable, but that's about it.

To each his or her own. :shrug:

I used to DJ a bit years back and am still heavily into dance/electronic music, and I can remember the Lemon remixes being huge and well respected in that scene. The Perfecto mix is in my opinion the best remix that's ever been done of a U2 song and now and again it still gets played in clubs and goes down very well.
 
I used to DJ a bit years back and am still heavily into dance/electronic music, and I can remember the Lemon remixes being huge and well respected in that scene. The Perfecto mix is in my opinion the best remix that's ever been done of a U2 song and now and again it still gets played in clubs and goes down very well.


Very cool. Like I said, I'm not a professional DJ and I don't go to a lot of clubs, other than gay clubs (and they don't really play a whole lot of U2 in gay clubs -- other than the Quincy & Sonace remix of 'Beautiful Day' when that remix came out years ago).

I'm glad people like the remixes and they got good play/exposure in clubs. I'm just not that big a fan of the remixes (or the actual song for that matter, other than the ZOO TV - Sydney live version, which I really like). Maybe I'll have to go back and check out The Perfecto mix again. I'm not narrow-minded, I'll change my mind if someone persuades me. :)
 
Easily one of my favorites, and I was one of those huge skeptics before it was released, saying it would probably suck.

So to all you people who told me I didn't like 2000s U2 just because it was new: You're wrong. And I think HTDAAB sucks more than I ever have.
 
Very cool. Like I said, I'm not a professional DJ and I don't go to a lot of clubs, other than gay clubs (and they don't really play a whole lot of U2 in gay clubs -- other than the Quincy & Sonace remix of 'Beautiful Day' when that remix came out years ago).

I'm glad people like the remixes and they got good play/exposure in clubs. I'm just not that big a fan of the remixes (or the actual song for that matter, other than the ZOO TV - Sydney live version, which I really like). Maybe I'll have to go back and check out The Perfecto mix again. I'm not narrow-minded, I'll change my mind if someone persuades me. :)

Don't get me wrong I dislike more of the remixes than I like so I know where you're coming from :wink:
It's a shame U2 don't get played more in gay clubs, but to be fair I don't think they get played a lot in any clubs anymore.
 
I haven't posted on here for ages, so a retrospective thread like this seems like a good place to return. U2's return to live activity has put them back on my radar again, and I dusted off NLOTH for it's first play in maybe a year or so. Here goes:

A general criticism / observation is not that the songs themselves are too long, more that there's lots of meandering intros and outros that maybe could've been edited out for a more focused listening experience. I also don't think that the album would've benefited from having any version of 'Winter' on there. For me, it's a totally bland and forgettable song. NLOTH isn't a commercial album at all, and in that sense it was brave to release something fairly atypical. But,I suspect that some of the songs (especially Crazy Tonight) made the tracklisting because the band chickened out a wee bit and felt the need for what they considered to be possible singles. But I wonder what could've been left on the cutting room floor to make way? So, the final product is an odd and disjointed mix of the daring and the obvious.

1. No Line On The Horizon - I adore this song, I honestly think it's one of the best they've ever done. Still can't decide which version I like more, but either is fine. The band missed a HUGE opportunity by not opening live shows with NLOTH. (Oddly, when I heard it live, it didn't sound as 'huge' as I was hoping for - I was expecting massive clattering guitars and cavernous drums that weren't quite there.)

2. Magnificent - Some say 'U2 by numbers', I say so what? Overlong perhaps, but when it gets started, a passionate performance and a great chorus. Edge on slide guitar is always welcome for me.

3. Moment Of Surrender - So deep into their career, I'm stunned that Bono's still capable of coming up with a vocal performance as wonderful as this. Has he ever sung better? I treat the band's comments about the spontaneity of this recording with a pinch of salt though, especially the likelihood of Bono coming up with such a focused set of lyrics off the top of his head. Maybe, maybe not! The song is a languid piece of beauty that makes the world a better place for it's running time. Indescribably stupendous. (But a disastrous choice to end the live shows - many people were halfway home by the time it finished.)

4. Unknown Caller - Distinctly average for me, I'm afraid. Not particularly melodic and an anticlimactic chorus. An Edge guitar solo was surprising in itself, but this one isn't his best - I hate to say it, but an aimless and pointless addition to the song.

5. I'll Go Crazy If I Don't Go Crazy Tonight - The thunderous live remix was amazing and unexpectedly daring, the album version OK. I think it's a slightly desperate attempt to come up with a hit single, though I like the little solo near the end. I don't skip the song, so I like it more than, for instance, UC.

6. Get On Your Boots - In isolation, a transparent attempt to get a hit single by rehashing the Vertigo template, with very inferior results and asinine lyrics. On the album, totally out of place even if it was the first or last song. Whatever loose concept the album may or may not have, GOYB sticks out like a sore thumb because it was 'the single' that actually may have killed the album's chances of getting a good reception.

7. Stand Up Comedy - Not as horrible as I remembered, and am surprised that it was never attempted live (it's chances of getting a reprieve in 2010 or 2011 have to be nil!). If I was skipping randomly through my iPod and this song came on, I'd keep on going!

8. Fez/Being Born - This is the exception to my criticism about long intros, as for once the sonic textures and production make for a really atmospheric listening experience. The N African vibe is really tangible here, and the actual BB song is very intriguing. There's a sense of dynamic urgency in the song, driven by strong instrumental performances and fine lead vocals. One of the best songs on the album.

9. White As Snow - An overlooked gem, for me. Sparse, bleak and icily wonderful.

10. Breathe - Lyrically, this seems to be a poor man's Bob Dylan, and I didn't like the song a year ago. But it's really grown on me now, full of exuberance and fun. (It's disappearance from the current live shows is a big mistake, as it's one of the few NLOTH songs that actually worked live!)

11. Cedars Of Lebanon - Possibly Bono's best ever lyrics, but not much of a song. Maybe the tired vocal delivery is intentional, but it's a monotonous and flat end way to end the album.
 
Evidently, U2 don't think much of the album now, as they've dropped all but 4 songs from the setlists.

I very much agree with this. Only 4 exist in their current setlist.

Boots, Magnificent, MOS, and Crazy.

Can you even count Crazy since it isn't the same as the album? Ok. Maybe so. But remember Zoo TV, Popmart, Elevation, and Vertigo tours were all album heavy tours. With Paul McGuiness often stating those were not greatest hits tours.

Seem U2360 is *quite* the greatest hits tour. I'm not complaining. Just trying to call it what it is. I enjoy the show and the songs and that is what matters.

But from a record company standpoint....seems nobody has been pushing NLOTH very much.
 
Evidently, U2 don't think much of the album now

Good -- neither do I!

But seriously, I guess (not having been in the studio with them) that NLOTH was hugely compromised by their attention to lowest-common-denominator fandom and the massive amount of time they spend in the studio.

Brian Eno as producer and idea-director? Great. Brian Eno as band member and songwriter? No thanks. Let's remember that the man can't really play an instrument and that Roxy Music only became successful after he quit them.

Here's what U2 -- and every famous group who's been together a long time and is rusty on inspiration -- should do: Write a batch of songs quickly and with original inspiration still intact. Go out and play those songs live, night after night. (Yeah, I realize they can't play 12 new songs at a stadium gig, but they can play 2 or 3 per night.) Get a feel for the songs, see how the audience reacts to them. Get confident playing them.

As soon as the tour ends (or during it), go into the studio and lay down the songs as fast as possible. Yes, I'll use the word Larry Mullen dreads the most -- DEADLINE. Give yourself three weeks to lay down the basic tracks.

What rock bands tend to lose touch with once they're experienced and have a lot of money is that good rock music doesn't generally come from endless tinkering in the studio, with Eno adding needless ambient keyboard sounds to everything. Good music comes from good inspiration, and capturing the moment. But it takes some discipline to do this when you have endless studio time available and carte blanche from the label to do whatever the hell you want.

So, I'm very happy that they're playing some new songs now that (as far as we know) haven't been recorded yet. That is a good way to go, I think.
 
Good -- neither do I!

But seriously, I guess (not having been in the studio with them) that NLOTH was hugely compromised by their attention to lowest-common-denominator fandom and the massive amount of time they spend in the studio.

Brian Eno as producer and idea-director? Great. Brian Eno as band member and songwriter? No thanks. Let's remember that the man can't really play an instrument and that Roxy Music only became successful after he quit them.

Here's what U2 -- and every famous group who's been together a long time and is rusty on inspiration -- should do: Write a batch of songs quickly and with original inspiration still intact. Go out and play those songs live, night after night. (Yeah, I realize they can't play 12 new songs at a stadium gig, but they can play 2 or 3 per night.) Get a feel for the songs, see how the audience reacts to them. Get confident playing them.

As soon as the tour ends (or during it), go into the studio and lay down the songs as fast as possible. Yes, I'll use the word Larry Mullen dreads the most -- DEADLINE. Give yourself three weeks to lay down the basic tracks.

What rock bands tend to lose touch with once they're experienced and have a lot of money is that good rock music doesn't generally come from endless tinkering in the studio, with Eno adding needless ambient keyboard sounds to everything. Good music comes from good inspiration, and capturing the moment. But it takes some discipline to do this when you have endless studio time available and carte blanche from the label to do whatever the hell you want.

So, I'm very happy that they're playing some new songs now that (as far as we know) haven't been recorded yet. That is a good way to go, I think.

:applaud: to all of this! Especially for having the guts to criticise Eno!

I find it odd that, no matter how hard U2 seem to try, they always end up finding their way back to Eno and Lanois as producers. I expect that anyone else ends up tearing their hair out with frustration at a band whose gigantic success has actually made them deeply insecure and almost suffocatingly incapable of deciding when an album is finished. That's the problem when you have your own studio, 100m+ album sales, a place at popular music's all-time top table, and the right to stick two fingers up to anyone in the record company who dares to mention the word 'deadline'. For instance, we've heard two versions of NLOTH (the song), two versions of Winter (and the suggestion of more that were considered) - how many different mixes were there of all the album songs? Much as I love them, U2's working methods and perfectionism are what actually holds them back.
 
Regarding Brian: Yeah, I think the keyboards on MOS are what's wrong with NLOTH.
 
Brian Eno as producer and idea-director? Great. Brian Eno as band member and songwriter? No thanks. Let's remember that the man can't really play an instrument and that Roxy Music only became successful after he quit them.

Brian Eno discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No less than half a dozen fantastic albums here, I'd say. Another Green World is one of the best ever, definitely among the very best of its genre.

For Your Pleasure is also one of Roxy Music's best, even if it wasn't a commercial smash.
 
Brian Eno discography - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No less than half a dozen fantastic albums here, I'd say. Another Green World is one of the best ever, definitely among the very best of its genre.

For Your Pleasure is also one of Roxy Music's best, even if it wasn't a commercial smash.

I'm not slamming Brian Eno -- I like him, and obviously he's generally been good for U2 since they keep going back to him. And just as obviously, a lot of great artists have lined up to work with him, so he clearly adds something to musicians' work.

I am a little tired of the Eno-worship that goes on here (Interference), and the over-valueing of what he does vs. what Lanois, a real musician, does. I also find Eno a bit unnecessarily pretentious, and I don't find his musings on music to be insightful or overly intelligent, despite his inflated reputation as the "cerebral baldie-brain of P.C. rock".

Nevertheless, there is plenty of evidence that he's a great idea-person and that he's good for U2. What I'm not necessarily in favor of is effectively bringing him into the band, as they more-or-less did on NLOTH. (I could understand the Passengers thing as an arty escape-valve for U2, and a way to reward Eno by letting him collaborate more with them... but I think they did the right thing then in deliberately not calling it "U2".)
 
which they're now doing on tour, and will probably do even moreso on the next album.

They'll go one of two ways. NLOTH didn't go off for them, in my view specifically because they compromised so heavily.

*IF* they read it the same way *AND* 360 is the last mega huge stadium tour they plan on mounting for some time (and I suspect it will be), then there is a very good chance they'll make a couple of no-compromise, possibly great albums next. But *IF* they read it the other way, that aside from a few tracks, perhaps the majority of NLOTH was too 'difficult' for the moronic masses, and that's why it didn't sell *AND* they want to continue touring in this form, then we'll almost certainly drift back into Bomb territory.

To put it another way, they'll either recognise three or four songs on NLOTH as a creative compromise they shouldn't have made, and that leaning on those specific songs to push the album was the commercial mistake that flattened the sales. OR they'll think the other way around. Seven or eight songs just weren't up to scratch in line with the catchier three or four, weren't good to take on the road etc, and thus the album sales didn't follow.

That analysis + Future touring intentions = The Answer.
 
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