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U2 re-releases spark 'rip-off' claims

Saturday, 19 July 2008 Belfast Telegraph



U2's first three albums are being re-released


They are one of the richest bands on the planet, but it seems U2 still haven't found enough of the green stuff to keep them happy.


The millionaire supergroup was last night accused of pulling a "con" by selling their fans re-packaged, re-mastered and re-released albums that are on offer for as much as €50.


The band has just launched new versions of their first three classic albums: 'Boy', 'October' and 'War'.


The albums are available in basic one-disc editions priced at €12.99, a "deluxe" two-disc set with "b-sides, live tracks and rarities" for €29.99, and a 'Boy' box set, which contains a "deluxe" CD and a t-shirt and costs €49.99.


The three re-released U2 albums are also available on vinyl. And some of the "rarities" on the deluxe, second CDs are re-worked versions of old fan favourites.


Of the 12 songs on the second disc of 'War', over half are remixes, with three new workings of 'Two Hearts Beat As One' and four of the classic 'New Year's Day'.


Despite the fact that the band says all three albums have been re-mastered and brushed up from audio tapes that are over 25 years old, music fans yesterday criticised what they saw as the latest big-name music rip-off.


"That's a rip-off, definitely a rip-off," said Jamie Farley, from Enniskillen. "I wouldn't buy it because it was a different version. If it was out years ago and I bought it then, I definitely wouldn't buy it now."


And even die-hard fans were left disillusioned by what they saw as a new attempt at "cashing in" on old material.


"Basically, I'm a bit disappointed because I think it's a con," said a "major" U2 fan who did not wish to be named. "As a big fan, I don't see what the point or the bonus is in buying it. I think it's a money spinner. Re-mastered means nothing, really," he continued.


"I'm a musician and I make records; and re-mastered, to the average punter, means sweet FA.


"If you're sitting in Windmill Lane studios and you have the speakers at full blare, of course you're going to hear a difference, but if you play it on the car stereo or at home, the average Joe won't know the difference."


The original versions of the three albums were pulled from shelves earlier this year and the band have already released a re-mastered version of 'The Joshua Tree' -- the only copies of which left in stock in HMV on Grafton Street, Dublin, now sell for €40.


"It's typical marketing," said Scheherezade Suria from Barcelona. "Most bands repackage the CDs and sell them off. I didn't know U2 did it but I'm not surprised."


However, sales of the re-packaged albums were reported to be brisk at the Dublin store yesterday.


"Combined, the three albums are our best seller today," said assistant manager Chris Keena. "That's the way a lot of artists are re-releasing stuff now. They release a greatest hits collection with an extra track."
 
i dont see how you can be a fan of the band and claim their first couple of albums don't benefit from remastering

not that they wouldnt have been re-released at some point anyway
but still
 
Ohhh, the "fan" doesn't want to be named. Does he think the band is going to have him offed because he doesn't buy the records?

I still fail to see how something that is clearly represented as to what it is can be considered a "rip-off". You either buy it or you don't. The content is being streamed online so it is available for people to hear so they can decide whether or not to by it. The content is described clearly and accurately. It's not any business persons duty to decide for you whether or not you need something. Products are made available for people to buy or not buy as they see fit.

Now if you want to talk about "rip-off's" how about those Crome Dreams DVD biography's of U2 packaged under two or three different titles that are all the exact same DVD with no way to tell that without opening the package and loading the disc into a player which then makes it impossible to return. That is a "rip-off" and it's not U2 that's doing it.

Dana
 
War desperately needs a remaster! And one can definitely tell the difference even in a home stereo or car stereo. JT sounded so much better!
 
These albums needed the remastering.
And I don't know what this guy is listening to, but the new Joshua Tree definitely improved with the remastering.
People should stop complaining, it's their own free decision to buy something or let it be.
 
U2 re-releases spark 'rip-off' claims

Saturday, 19 July 2008 Belfast Telegraph



U2's first three albums are being re-released


They are one of the richest bands on the planet, but it seems U2 still haven't found enough of the green stuff to keep them happy.


The millionaire supergroup was last night accused of pulling a "con" by selling their fans re-packaged, re-mastered and re-released albums that are on offer for as much as €50.


The band has just launched new versions of their first three classic albums: 'Boy', 'October' and 'War'.


The albums are available in basic one-disc editions priced at €12.99, a "deluxe" two-disc set with "b-sides, live tracks and rarities" for €29.99, and a 'Boy' box set, which contains a "deluxe" CD and a t-shirt and costs €49.99.


The three re-released U2 albums are also available on vinyl. And some of the "rarities" on the deluxe, second CDs are re-worked versions of old fan favourites.


Of the 12 songs on the second disc of 'War', over half are remixes, with three new workings of 'Two Hearts Beat As One' and four of the classic 'New Year's Day'.


Despite the fact that the band says all three albums have been re-mastered and brushed up from audio tapes that are over 25 years old, music fans yesterday criticised what they saw as the latest big-name music rip-off.


"That's a rip-off, definitely a rip-off," said Jamie Farley, from Enniskillen. "I wouldn't buy it because it was a different version. If it was out years ago and I bought it then, I definitely wouldn't buy it now."


And even die-hard fans were left disillusioned by what they saw as a new attempt at "cashing in" on old material.


"Basically, I'm a bit disappointed because I think it's a con," said a "major" U2 fan who did not wish to be named. "As a big fan, I don't see what the point or the bonus is in buying it. I think it's a money spinner. Re-mastered means nothing, really," he continued.


"I'm a musician and I make records; and re-mastered, to the average punter, means sweet FA.


"If you're sitting in Windmill Lane studios and you have the speakers at full blare, of course you're going to hear a difference, but if you play it on the car stereo or at home, the average Joe won't know the difference."


The original versions of the three albums were pulled from shelves earlier this year and the band have already released a re-mastered version of 'The Joshua Tree' -- the only copies of which left in stock in HMV on Grafton Street, Dublin, now sell for €40.


"It's typical marketing," said Scheherezade Suria from Barcelona. "Most bands repackage the CDs and sell them off. I didn't know U2 did it but I'm not surprised."


However, sales of the re-packaged albums were reported to be brisk at the Dublin store yesterday.


"Combined, the three albums are our best seller today," said assistant manager Chris Keena. "That's the way a lot of artists are re-releasing stuff now. They release a greatest hits collection with an extra track."

Who the fuck cares???? some people are such friging babies! If you don't thinks its worth it then don't buy it and that's it. U2 isn't holding a gun to their heads and forcing them to buy it. Sheesh some people make me sick.
 
Sounds like the reporter's a Coldplay/Radiohead fan looking to stir up some controversy in the U2 camp.

The funny thing is that there are a few posters in this forum who've written that story in past posts...:giggle:
 
If he cant tell the difference between the origianl Joshua Tree CD and the remastered one he better turn his hearing aid up because there is no doubt its 10 times better sound then the original.
 
oh dear...i think the deluxe edition with a t-shirt for nearly 50 quid is asking too much but I have absolutely no problem with paying just under 20 pounds for the 2-disc deluxe edition for a remastered album and an extra disc of all the B-sides from records I own that desperately need upgrading...not to mention the album itself!! You should see my CD copies of those albums.

who does this person think they're kidding with all this crap? I understand CDs might cost a lot more in places but come on just under 20 pounds each for TWO discs is NOT a rip-off...
 
I have personally been waiting years for these! If some idiot thinks it's not worth it, good for him then fine, he is under no obligation to buy it. But please don't try to make that decision for U2, who own the rights and can do as they please with the music; or for the millions of people who actually want this product. I just don't understand why it's a bad thing to try to meet a demand that obviously exists. Because U2 might actualy make money selling a product? These people need to seriously grow up and figure out how the world works. The whole thing reeks of jelousy and the attitude that "if anyone has more money than me, they obviously have too much". Again I say grow up!

The most annoying thing about this is the fact that a few whiners have been made into a "news" story with the sole purpose of stirring up controversy and selling copies. If anyone should be ashamed here it is certainly not U2.

The End.
 
The only area where I'd agree (that it's a rip) is in regards to the remixes. On one hand, it collects all of the officially-released material under one roof. But it's also quite redundant, especially when all of the versions are back-to-back. Surely they could have dug up something more exciting.

I only fear that, considering the amount of released remixes, that there will be little of interest on the deluxe AB-Pop albums, just like on the b-sides disc of the 1990-2000 best-of. Hopefully, in those cases, they will be expanded to three discs. Otherwise, there will be no room for anything new, for the six million remixes of "Mysterious Ways" and such.

Personally, I hate remixes and find them to be a waste of time and valuable disc space, and offer no real new perspective on the actual songs. I would much prefer a whole bunch of directionless studio jams and vocal jibberish than a remix.

Of course, I will buy it anyway....
 
Dont want it ? dont buy it.

Problem solved.

I was thinking the same thing:|

Why do they make such a big deal over stuff like this. As a fan of the group, which this sale is directed too, love this re-release. Anyhoo... if you are really cheap about it just down-load a torrent of the B-Sides.
 
I've spent over $10,000 on U2 music since 1983 and have already bought these CDs. The quality is great and I'm happy.

But I have to admit, with just 2 new studio songs, one instrumental and a live track over 3 albums, U2 have not by ANY means tapped into the wealth of demo material that fans hoped for (especially compared what other bands have done in the past).

To a non fanatic, these releases ARE overpriced and underwelming.

Are the band holding other tracks for a future box set? Probably. But why did iTunes get "The Fool" and "Street Missions" but these expensive CDs didn't? What happened to 'Be There", allegedly from 1982?

The writer expresses a fair comment: at 40-50 Euro they do not represent the value for money that U2's peers have showed.
 
I have personally been waiting years for these! If some idiot thinks it's not worth it, good for him then fine, he is under no obligation to buy it. But please don't try to make that decision for U2, who own the rights and can do as they please with the music; or for the millions of people who actually want this product. I just don't understand why it's a bad thing to try to meet a demand that obviously exists. Because U2 might actualy make money selling a product? These people need to seriously grow up and figure out how the world works. The whole thing reeks of jelousy and the attitude that "if anyone has more money than me, they obviously have too much". Again I say grow up!

exactly! There's obviously a demand for the original albums to be remastered, some might argue they sound terrible (don't agree really, they're not perfect and i can't wait to hear them polished up) and are more than willing to buy these new versions just for a clearer album!

What's going to happen when the fucking Beatles get the remaster treatment?! It'll be "YES! IT'S ABOUT TIME THESE ALBUMS WERE REMASTERED." which is VERY fucking true since they haven't TOUCHED them since they put the same shoddy tracks onto CD, but I imagine [as with most Beatles CDs] they'll be so fucking expensive with very little chance of ANY bonus material or whatnot since The Anthology series sort of cleared that up. I never got why The Beatles always cost so bloody much when you get new albums coming out at half the price!
I hate the fact that for once U2 do something which seems very much for the fans rather than some shitty unnecessary cash-in like U2:18 and this is the one some bitter journalist has a fit over, what's the point?! There is a huge demand for these!
 
What I'll say is a definite rip off is how these deluxe versions' 2nd disc doesn't have as much as it should. That's the real problem with all recent U2 releases since 2004 at least. The band releases something you want, but stops short of filling space to make it worth the costs of production and cost to fans by saving stuff up for a future cash in.

This happens over and over. The mysterious lack of lyrics and official album photos in the deluxe edition HTDAAB; the lack of the full concert from which Popmart's 2nd disc performances were taken (Why not a 3 disc version of that?); the inclusion of only 10 tracks on the Milan DVD which was an extra to a hits album, most of whose songs U2 fans own; the lack of really anything on disc 2 on the Vertigo DVD; the lack of stuff on the Zoo TV DVD; the itunes $150 extravaganza.

The Joshua Tree rerelease was a pretty good deal.

It's enough to make fans wanna buy it, but stops short of really making more than worth our while.

The Cure's rereleases use every bit of space.

That's why U2 is being accused of exploitation. If it were obviously a bad deal, then no one would buy it. It's just enough to make you wanna buy it and exploit your fandom.

U2's not living up to the rhetoric of a special relationship with the fans. It's almost as hollow of Bush saying he cares about victims of Katrina or the poor in his moving 2001 inaugural address. Just because they say it, doesn't mean it's true. U2 have been shafting fans for years.
 
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