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Old 04-29-2008, 02:47 PM   #751
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Obama says he's outraged by former pastor's comments

WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama said Tuesday he was outraged by the latest assertion by his former pastor that criticism of his fiery sermons is an attack on the black church.
The presidential candidate is seeking to tamp down the growing fury over Rev. Jeremiah Wright and his incendiary remarks that threaten to undermine his campaign.

"I am outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday," Obama told reporters at a news conference.

After weeks of staying out of the public eye while critics lambasted his sermons, Wright made three public appearances in four days to defend himself. The former pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago has been combative, providing colorful commentary and feeding the story Obama had hoped was dying down.

"This is not an attack on Jeremiah Wright," Wright told the Washington media Monday. "It has nothing to do with Senator Obama. It is an attack on the black church launched by people who know nothing about the African-American religious tradition."

Obama told reporters Tuesday that Wright's comments do not accurately portray the perspective of the black church.

"The person I saw yesterday was not the person that I met 20 years ago," Obama said of the man who married him.

Wright criticized the U.S. government as imperialist and stood by his suggestion that the United States invented the HIV virus as a means of genocide against minorities. "Based on this Tuskegee experiment and based on what has happened to Africans in this country, I believe our government is capable of doing anything," he said.

In a highly publicized speech last month, Obama sharply condemned Wright's remarks. But he did not leave the church or repudiate the minister himself, who he said was like a family member.

On Tuesday, Obama sought to distance himself further from Wright.

"I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia explaining that he's done enormous good. ... But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions as the U.S. government somehow being involved in AIDS. ... There are no excuses. They offended me. They rightly offend all Americans and they should be denounced."

Wright recently retired from the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. He became an issue in Obama's presidential bid when videos circulated of Wright condemning the U.S. government for allegedly racist and genocidal acts. In the videos, some several years old, Wright called on God to "damn America." He also said the government created the AIDS virus to destroy "people of color."
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Old 04-29-2008, 03:24 PM   #752
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This is from Democratic Underground and the NY Post also has a story on this...just google it.

hmmm... can you say swiftboating? Great Hillary, just great.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=132x5728458
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Breaking: Clinton Supporter Invited Wright To Speak At National Press Club
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 12:50 AM by malik flavors
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Clinton supporter invited Wright


Obama's campaign has disavowed Wright's media tour, and a correspondent notes an interesting detail:

Wright was invited to the National Press Club by a journalist and minister who supports Clinton.

The Tribune reports that Wright was invited by Barbara Reynolds, a former USA Today editorial board member who has written on personal blog of her support for Clinton.

I don't mean to suggest some kind of plot. Her agenda here seems to have been the same as Wright's: To protect the minister's reputation from, among others, Obama.

"t is a sad testimony that to protect his credentials as a unifier above the fray the Senator is fueling the media characterization that Rev. Dr. Wright is some retiring old uncle in the church basement instead of respecting Wright for the towering astute father of progressive social and global causes that he is," Reynolds wrote in March.

Reynolds' is well placed to defend Wright. Her bio says she teaches "prophetic ministry and the media" at Howard University's divinity school.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...Clinton_sup...

http://reynoldsworldnews.blogspot.com/2008/02/hope.html

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/ne...ics/blog/20...


THE DAILY KOS:

NY Daily News:

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright couldn't have done more damage to Barack Obama's campaign if he had tried. And you have to wonder if that's just what one friend of Wright wanted.

Shortly before he rose to deliver his rambling, angry, sarcastic remarks at the National Press Club Monday, Wright sat next to, and chatted with, Barbara Reynolds.

A former editorial board member at USA Today, she runs something called Reynolds News Services and teaches ministry at the Howard University School of Divinity. (She is an ordained minister).

It also turns out that Reynolds - introduced Monday as a member of the National Press Club "who organized" the event - is an enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporter

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4...712/999/505469
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Old 04-29-2008, 03:40 PM   #753
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This is from Democratic Underground and the NY Post also has a story on this...just google it.

hmmm... can you say swiftboating? Great Hillary, just great.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ss=132x5728458
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Breaking: Clinton Supporter Invited Wright To Speak At National Press Club
Edited on Tue Apr-29-08 12:50 AM by malik flavors
April 28, 2008
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Clinton supporter invited Wright


Obama's campaign has disavowed Wright's media tour, and a correspondent notes an interesting detail:

Wright was invited to the National Press Club by a journalist and minister who supports Clinton.

The Tribune reports that Wright was invited by Barbara Reynolds, a former USA Today editorial board member who has written on personal blog of her support for Clinton.

I don't mean to suggest some kind of plot. Her agenda here seems to have been the same as Wright's: To protect the minister's reputation from, among others, Obama.

"t is a sad testimony that to protect his credentials as a unifier above the fray the Senator is fueling the media characterization that Rev. Dr. Wright is some retiring old uncle in the church basement instead of respecting Wright for the towering astute father of progressive social and global causes that he is," Reynolds wrote in March.

Reynolds' is well placed to defend Wright. Her bio says she teaches "prophetic ministry and the media" at Howard University's divinity school.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi...Clinton_sup...

http://reynoldsworldnews.blogspot.com/2008/02/hope.html

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/ne...ics/blog/20...


THE DAILY KOS:

NY Daily News:

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright couldn't have done more damage to Barack Obama's campaign if he had tried. And you have to wonder if that's just what one friend of Wright wanted.

Shortly before he rose to deliver his rambling, angry, sarcastic remarks at the National Press Club Monday, Wright sat next to, and chatted with, Barbara Reynolds.

A former editorial board member at USA Today, she runs something called Reynolds News Services and teaches ministry at the Howard University School of Divinity. (She is an ordained minister).

It also turns out that Reynolds - introduced Monday as a member of the National Press Club "who organized" the event - is an enthusiastic Hillary Clinton supporter

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4...712/999/505469

So it's Hillary's fault that Wright is a moron?
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Obama says he's outraged by former pastor's comments

I'll bet he's outraged. And not just because his comments were "untrue" but because they are further mucking things up for Obama!

I can imagine a private phone call from Obama to Wright:

"What the HELL is your problem? I stick up for you in that speech and then you throw me under the bus like this. we are through!!!"

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I don't know, it seems kind of staged to me. I can see Obama and Wright discussing a way for Obama to be outraged since that's what people what him to be. It all seems like politics to me.
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Interesting premise

a "sister soljah" moment for Obama?

to help him win the "blue collar" voters he needs to be considered universally viable?


interesting

but, too many moving parts for me to buy it
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I don't know, it is still Tuesday

one week from the all important

Indiana primary

and these news cycles are non stop

I am sick of hearing about this

and watching Obama on TV

I actually feel bad for him


there may be enough time
and if Obama stays on this 'one note'

people may start to feel bad for Obama and want to reward / support him for completely rejecting Wright

he won't lose any of his 90% black support
he won't lose any of his youth support


he could gain some sympathy votes
this could actually help in Indiana
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I don't know, it seems kind of staged to me. I can see Obama and Wright discussing a way for Obama to be outraged since that's what people what him to be. It all seems like politics to me.


i think this is right on the money. of course it's politics. why did Bill Clinton stop his 1992 campaign in order to go back to AK to preside over the execution of a legally retarded black man?

we all worry about what the poor white churchies are going to think. is that condescending? i don't care. it drives me crazy that most of this country states that we all admire financial success through hard work, we believe that where we were born doesn't play that much of a role of where we wind up, and that we feel in control of our own destinies, and then suddenly when an election rolls around, we're taking shots of whiskey and talking about how our Pa's taught us how to shoot as little girls. and what happens? we get pictures of Kerry trying to duck hunt because we latte liberals are fretting about what the West Virginians are going to think about him windsurfing off of Nantucket.

i still don't care. Wright has nothing to do with anything, and Wright isn't going to get veto power over SCOTUS nominees put forward by a President Obama in the way that the Bushies gave such power to James Dobson.

Wright only matters if you let him.
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i think this is right on the money. of course it's politics.
So you think Obama and Wright planned this?

For Wright to make these wacko remarks so Obama could be outraged?
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So you think Obama and Wright planned this?

For Wright to make these wacko remarks so Obama could be outraged?


yes, i do think so.

he's already distanced himself from Wright's youtubed moments, and is obviously not from the same camp as Wright.

but, hey, they're both black, so they MUST be exactly alike.

this gives Obama the opportunity to make the point writ large, and it's kind of heroic, having to kill off a loved one, kind of Luke Skywalker-ish.

and, as i've said, i don't find Wright nearly as wack-o as the mainstream rightwing protestant evangelical pastors. Falwell, Dobson, Hagee, Robertson ... all are vastly more offensive and "wack-o" than Wright could ever hope to be.

but, again, these are white men. so it's okay.
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yes, i do think so.
If that is the case

it could be a 'brilliant strategy'

Everyone has been saying Obama can't beat McCain because of Wright

well, if Wright is neutralized now, the last week of April and is no longer a problem for Obama

it will smooth the way to the nomination for him
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If that is the case

it could be a 'brilliant strategy'

Everyone has been saying Obama can't beat McCain because of Wright

well, if Wright is neutralized now, the last week of April and is no longer a problem for Obama

it will smooth the way to the nomination for him


i think this is the hope. that Obama has to start whitening up to make himself more presentable to the bitter folks.

i hate it all. but one plays it as it lays.

and the white people have to buy it. we'll see.




what's most surprising, and what no one is paying attention to, is the fact that it's quite surprising that McCain isn't further ahead given all that's passed between HRC and BHO.
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i think this is the hope. that Obama has to start whitening up to make himself more presentable to the bitter folks.

i hate it all. but one plays it as it lays.

and the white people have to buy it. we'll see.

If one can not have success with the terrible American election process and understand how to appeal to the voters that will make the selection

they probably will not be successful in governing this country

btw, hate' is like taking poison and hoping the other person will die






I was outside of a Cheesecake Factory last night, (I DONT eat there) I took a quick survey, and out of 19 people- 10 were for Obama, 5 McCain and 4 for Hillary.
and you don't want to know how many Obama supporters were driving SUVs.
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If one can not have success with the terrible American election process and understand how to appeal to the voters that will make the selection

they probably will not be successful in governing this country

btw, hate' is like taking poison and hoping the other person will die



of the three candidates left in the race, i ask you, who has run the most successful campaign?





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I was outside of a Cheesecake Factory last night, (I DONT eat there) I took a quick survey, and out of 19 people- 10 were for Obama, 5 McCain and 4 for Hillary.
and you don't want to know how many Obama supporters were driving SUVs.


such is life in Southern California. here in DC/NoVA, our Obama supporters ride bikes and have low flush toilets and eat lots of quinoa and jicama and brag about how they know so many interracial gay couples who've adopted Somali orphans.

though i note you're quick to distance yourself from the menu.

i hate it too. though i have relented, once in recent years, when my aunt and cousin wanted to have dinner there. but it was okay, see, because my aunt is Korean and my cousin is gay.
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