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Old 05-14-2002, 04:22 AM   #1
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Tipping....do you?

Just wonmdering what everyone thinks of this, as we are fairly spread out over the globe here and I know there are some folks who work in service industries who may be able to give interesting replies.

I personally never do it on request, and only in very select circumstances. Call me Scrooge if you like, I'm happy with it. My reasons are for not doing it though are that these people, waiters, hotel staff cab drivers etc, are doing their job. End of story. There are a few types of jobs here where tipping is customary, not required, and althought they may be plain and simple customer service, or lower paying jobs, this makes little difference to me for 2 reasons. There are plenty of lower paying jobs around that do not desire a tip. And also there are many service type industries as well as these that do not require it. So why for a few and not others? To tip anyone who gives us good service is in the long run an almighty expensive exercise. I personally can not see it having the flow on effect of lower prices for services, or an increase in customer service levels.
This not to say I dont appreciate good service, I do. I will tip, but not without saying a very sincere thanks for the service 1st. I've heard it basically the practice in places like America where a tip is actually added on to the end of a bill.
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Old 05-14-2002, 04:30 AM   #2
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Well, in Malaysia there is a 10% service charge, anyway. Tipping is rife during Chinese New Year, when everyone is expecting ang pows (red packets) from everyone
Personally, I am very erratic with my tipping. No policies whatsoever. If I think a waiter/tress needs cheering up, I'll try and do something.

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I can see where you're coming from Angie...


I'm from Boston, and it seems like EVERYWHERE nowadays has a cup for tips etc. I always tip in restaurants and bars, I just always have and I always remember my parents doing it. Mainly, becuase I know that waiter/waitresses generally make well below minimum wage, and most of thier pay comes from tips. I usually leave at least 15 if not 20% of the total. My boyfriend on the other hands tips everyone for everything, and overtips bigtime. While it's very generous of him, I bet if he added all this up in a week he'd be surprised how much he was spending.

When it comes to things like counter workers at the coffee shop, etc - I have issues. Sometimes I'll throw my left over change in there, but the way I look at is they're getting tipped for what they're already getting paid to do. Not to sound incredibly selfish, but I bust my ass at work and I never get tips for anything! Occasionally I do get gifts from parents when their babies go home, but that's different IMO.

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Old 05-14-2002, 04:36 AM   #4
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Quote:
Originally posted by Angela Harlem:
Just wonmdering what everyone thinks of this, as we are fairly spread out over the globe here and I know there are some folks who work in service industries who may be able to give interesting replies.

I personally never do it on request, and only in very select circumstances. Call me Scrooge if you like, I'm happy with it. My reasons are for not doing it though are that these people, waiters, hotel staff cab drivers etc, are doing their job. End of story. There are a few types of jobs here where tipping is customary, not required, and althought they may be plain and simple customer service, or lower paying jobs, this makes little difference to me for 2 reasons. There are plenty of lower paying jobs around that do not desire a tip. And also there are many service type industries as well as these that do not require it. So why for a few and not others? To tip anyone who gives us good service is in the long run an almighty expensive exercise. I personally can not see it having the flow on effect of lower prices for services, or an increase in customer service levels.
This not to say I dont appreciate good service, I do. I will tip, but not without saying a very sincere thanks for the service 1st. I've heard it basically the practice in places like America where a tip is actually added on to the end of a bill.
If you are referring to waiters/waitresses, most rely on tips as their actual salary. Same goes for bartenders. Most employees of these "low paying jobs" also do work on the premise that tips cover a certain portion of the paid wages and the employers adjust their pay to reflect. For example, Minimum wage in the US is something like $6. If you work in the service industry (i.e. tips), minimum wage is about $3. So not tipping is extremely rude and ignorant, not to mention I've see people literally go after people who didn't tip. Us people in these "low paying jobs" need those tips to survive and I, for one, need them to live, and pay for school. I do agree though that sometimes, in certain situations, its weird (i.e. gas attendant who cleans your windows) but in most instances (at least here in the states) tipping is part of the employees expected earnings.

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Old 05-14-2002, 04:46 AM   #5
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lol. Ok. I guess its different here, our minimum wage, although very low, is not expected to be propped up by tips. Unless the regulations have changed since I worked in any type of waitressing job.
I guess I just think it would be fairer and better for these restaurants etc to charge slightly more so they can do their moral duty to their staff and pay them better.

User pays, no one is going to complain too loudly about the cost of eating out for example when you know the staff are not underpaid as a result.

And I replied to you btw. Dunno if it explains anything!
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In the US, it's stupid but necessary.
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I used to be a waiter, and let me tell you, waiter's hourly pay is VERY low. When I was doing it (late 80's), I made $2.09 an hour as my base pay. Anything else I made was because I worked my butt off and gave great service.
For 2 years, I was a waiter, and a very good one at that. I was vry nice to the customers, whether I liked them or not. I never purposefully gave bad service. If I ever did give slow service, it was because I had to take a co-worker's tables, as well as my own, or something like that.
With that experience as my background, I can be either the best or the worst tipper a wait person can encounter, depending on the service he/she gives. If I am given good to great service, I tip very generously, because I know how much work that is. But, if the service is bad, I take into consideration how hard the wait person is trying. If he/she is giving slow service but is obviously running his/her butt off, giving it the best, I'll still tip that person generously. However, if the service is bad when it doesn't have to be bad (Believe me I can tell; person standing around gabbing, etc., or bad attitude), I generally will leave little or no tip, because I know the person's just a crappy waitperson. Just yesterday, my friend and I received awful service...and there was hardly anyone in the place. He didn't refill her water. He didn't bring mustard or mayo or catsup her burger, and when I finally got up to ask, I asked another waitress, who told him (I heard her), but he never ever brought it. I finally had to ask even a 3rd person. He wasn't very friendly. You know how much I really wanted to leave? Zippo. Nada. Zilch. However, so as not to embarass her, I lete her handle the tip part. I told her I would buy her lunch if she would leave the tip...and she left $3 to $4 on a $22 bill, which is $3 to $4 more than the lazy bum deserved.
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angie sounds like mr. white

service has to be horrendous for me not to tip. it's only been horrendous a few times.
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Old 05-14-2002, 11:27 AM   #9
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First of all, in the US the tip is usually not added onto the bill unless it's a large group out to dinner or something. That's been my experience anyway.
I don't want to reiterate about people making their living off tips while they make < minimum wage.
I think an argument can be made that, in the instance of waiters/waitresses for example, they may give better service if they are trying for a better tip. If they are just being paid a straight salary, where's the incentive to provide exceptional service?
Personally I always tip. Probably too much.
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If the service is good, I tip 18-20%, if the service is bad, I have been known to leave a penny.

Tipping is necessary in the US due to the slave wages paid to food servers/bartenders, etc. Until that changes, tipping will be expected.

And, most people don't realize this, but in the US, at most larger restuarants and bars, tips are subject to income tax on a figure reported by the employer, not the employee. So, if someone routinely gets stiffed on tips, they still have to pay taxes based on an 18% tip per check.


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when the waiter tries to be friendly I usually do tip

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Old 05-14-2002, 12:01 PM   #12
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I tip what you are supposed to.. 15% or whatever it is.. but if they are rude I will not leave much of a tip. So what if its their salary? If they want a tip they should earn it. If they are very courteous and friendly I'll tip extra.

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Old 05-14-2002, 12:21 PM   #13
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Absolutely, 15% or so, unless service is terrible. It's not fair that wait staff is taxed on 15% of their food sales, so I do my part to help them out. If service is exceptional, I go as far as 25-30%, if service is bad, I do not tip. It's not my fault if someone can't do their job.
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I tip 10% for good service. But I do it on a couple of assumptions, which I'd be happy to see some opinions/knowledge on from you guys if Im wrong!

My understanding was that people in restaurants get at least minimum wage, is that not so? Well, at least in Canada, isn't minimum wage like $7.50 or something? Im not sure what it is in America, but my theory is that basically most times I eat out, with a family of 4, I can easily spend close to $100 on the meal. Usually we are there for no more than an hour, and if I give a $10 tip on the $100 check, that means that my server just made over $17/hr. That's right up there with most skilled labor...not too bad at all...not only that, but there are plenty of skilled people working in minimum wage jobs who get absolutely no tip ever, so servers arent all that bad off, are they?

I like to round things up a bit tho. Like if my bill is $89 Im not going to say, well 10% of $89 is $8.90 and count out the change. I'll probably just leave $100 and expect no change. Not only that, but Im giving 10% of the total, which includes 15% tax here in Canada. At that point a dollar or two of my tip is actually for the service of the restaurant remitting my taxes to the government...and dammit I sure as hell dont pay someone to do my taxes...ok Im getting carried away, but my point is that Im not trying to be cheap by sticking to a hard and fast 10% of the food I ate kinda deal...

However, a server has to give me good (not grudgingly average) service to get a tip. I don't believe its an inherent right of the server to be tipped regardless of how they conduct themselves. If they are at all rude or snappy, no tip. If I have to repeatedly ask for that second drink or have to get my order corrected more than once (I have an aversion to seeing red in my steak, s'gotta be well done!), no tip. And, if I feel like I'm being rushed to get out of the restaurant, no tip.

But those are rare occurences at the better establishments, so generally I do tip.

BTW, and sorry if Im uneducated about it, but where did 15, 20% come from? Is there some unwritten rule? I go by 10% cause thats always what I remember from growing up...sure times have changed, but its a percentage so why should it change? 20 years ago a meal cost $10, and a ten percent tip meant a buck. Nowadays the meal is more like $25, and so the tip rises accordingly to $2.50...or am I missing something??

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I always tip 20% if the service is good. I have no problem stiffing a bad attitude, though. 80s is right...waiters in America *need* tips.

But here in America...will it never end? Where do you draw the line? Tip jars are popping up all over. Pretty soon there'll be a tip jar at bookstores. Why should I tip the person behind the counter at Starbucks but not the person at MacDonalds (though I haven't been there in 20 years)?

I work for rich people who have informed the staff that when we travel for business, we should always tip generously, no less than 25% in restaurants, and $10-15/day for the hotel maids who more often than not are from 3rd world countries struggling to get by. So last time I stayed in a hotel for work, I left $30 in the room, but I don't really ever know who will get it since the person who cleaned my room that day might not be the person who cleaned it the day before. I am always confused about this.

So I tip generously when earned, yet I really wish people just got paid what they should so tipping would truly be a reward for that extra effort rather than an expectation derived from necessity.
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