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Old 06-03-2005, 06:09 PM   #16
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i'm so sick of politicians making decisions based on their religious views that end up effected thousands of people. it's just so ridiculous. whatever happened to seperation of church and state geez we need a change.
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I memorized this years ago--

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excerise thereof, or of the press, or of the right of the people to peacably to assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Anytime 'cept Sunday morning that a politician shows up in church it makes me nervous.

The idea of signing a bill of any kind in a facility intimately connected to a religion is another attempt to seriously blur the line between church and state.

This, however doesn't surprise me, as Texas Republicans and other fundamentalists have been trying for years to completely obliterate the line.

PS. I hate Texas Republicans. Just wanted to say it one more time.
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Coemgen!!

OMG!

So you've read THE BOOK too! (no, I don't mean the Bible though this book is currently a close second on my list)

I have been pushing this book on this site for the past 2 months..and you used the EXACT same language I have! I just referred someone to sojo yesterday....

SERIOUSLY folks....I am not kidding, this book will CHANGE YOUR LIFE. It's becoming a sensation. At a recent college graduation in Michigan, Bush was the guest speaker, and Karl Rove was there too. Over 25% of the kids wore "God Is Not A Republican Or A Democrat" buttons, and the audience response was restrained.
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I memorized this years ago--

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free excerise thereof, or of the press, or of the right of the people to peacably to assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Anytime 'cept Sunday morning that a politician shows up in church it makes me nervous.

The idea of signing a bill of any kind in a facility intimately connected to a religion is another attempt to seriously blur the line between church and state.

This, however doesn't surprise me, as Texas Republicans and other fundamentalists have been trying for years to completely obliterate the line.

PS. I hate Texas Republicans. Just wanted to say it one more time.
It's so nice to know that you hate me. I don't hate you.
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He's a Christian who is really taking jabs at the Right Wingers for hijacking the faith and creating a theocracy.
What kind of "jabs" does he take against fellow Christians?
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I live in a state where politicians regularly mix religion and politics. It's disgusting. I think they are taking advantage of the fact that Alabama is heavily conservative Protestant. Trust me, I have nothing against conservative Protestants. I just don't like it when they mix religion and politics. This just plain makes me uncomfortable.
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If it is a core value of a majority of the constituents, how can you ignore it?
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It's so nice to know that you hate me. I don't hate you.
Are you running for office? Until you run for office, I don't hate you. Perhaps merely dislike.
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If it is a core value of a majority of the constituents, how can you ignore it?
Maybe you can't ignore it, but I don't think a politician should base a campaign on religion. Any religion.
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If it is a core value of a majority of the constituents, how can you ignore it?
That's the $64,000 question. It's wierd, because a heck of alot of people don't like the politicians in Mongonery, and this includes plenty of conservatives. It's not their conservativism that annoys me. It's their silly, demogogic approach to politics that gets my goat. I just wish they wouldn't mix religion and politics. That's my personal preference, and, in fact, it's a majority view in Birmingham. It's not in the rest of the state, however, this state is a bit schizoid politically. This isn't new, it goes back to the Dixiecrats. In fact, our politicians are stiil basically Dixiecrats. It's been like this every since I can remember, and unfortunately it will probably always be like this. I don't like it, but I'm used to it at the same time.
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Are you running for office? Until you run for office, I don't hate you. Perhaps merely dislike.
I'm not running for office, but I am a Texas Republican, and you said you hate Texas Republicans.

As a side note, you do realize, don't you, that your decision to hate all Texas Republicans, without knowing all Texas Republicans, is not all that different from someone who who hates gays because he thinks that all gays are promiscuous beasts who wear s & m clothing and dog collars to the gay pride parades on public streets where they partake in the simulation of sex acts?

It completely floors me that more and more in this world, especially in these forums, stereotyping and predispositions of hatred are considered wrong, unless of course it's against Conservatives and Republicans.
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It completely floors me that more and more in this world, especially in these forums, stereotyping and predispositions of hatred are considered wrong, unless of course it's against Conservatives and Republicans.


because Conservative Republicans are part of the apparatus of government that can make real and lasting impacts on the ways that people live their lives. your average gay man in a pride parade isn't going to do anything to you, so avert your eyes if you're offended.

a Conservative Republican, however, can put that man in jail (or at least he used to be able to ... especially in Texas, even if said man were engaging in consensual adult homosexual intercourse in the privacy of his own home). Conservative Republicans enable 36 states to maintain the legality of being able to fire someone simply on the basis of sexual orientation. Conservative Republicans spearheaded a movement to amend the constitution of the United States in order to explicitly exclude a group of people from certain rights.

your average gay person does not wield such powers; your average Conservative Republican, whether he is in a state Congress or the US Senate, does have such powers. there are votes, and laws, that one can use to gauge exactly how a Conservative Republican behaves; there is no way to determine how a gay person "behaves" because to quantify everyday human behavior does indeed become stereotyping, the same cannot be said of politicians. am i stereotyping Republicans for being for lower taxes? a strong defense? anti-gay? no. i am stating fact, because we have results to point to, there is accountability in politics. the same does not exist in quotidian life.
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Oh yeah, Irvine, I forgot that all conservative Republicans fan the flames of hatred against gays. I'll try to remember that from now on.

The average "conservative Republicans" isn't even in congress, Irvine. Do you really how many conservative Republicans there are in the US, as opposed to how many actually serve political office of any kind at all? And yet, you state the average conservative Republican has the power to strip gays of their rights.
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