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Old 04-11-2003, 06:06 PM   #46
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They do. It’s called the public school system.

We have very high respect for our public schools and greatly appreciate what they offer our son. But some of the curriculum imposed on the teachers would fall into the category you describe.

Even with some of the nonsense taught, we do not yank our son out of school. We use it as a training time and show the differences in belief systems.





I thought your son was still pretty young.

I don’t know if it is the theory of evolution that you are speaking about. Or the allowing children to wear Halloween costumes? Or not requiring a blessing before eating?

We were raised in an environment where our religious beliefs were not the norm. We asked our father about evolution, the age of the earth, humans before Adam and Eve? His answer to us was that the school system taught from a non- religious point of view, only scientific and to learn our lessons and not challenge the teachings. He said this was necessary to fully participate in what the secular world believed.

My three sisters all stayed active in, married in, and are raising my 11 nieces and nephews in the faith.

I don’t think there is any harm a public education can do your children’s belief system unless the home and church life are not fully practiced.
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Old 04-11-2003, 07:20 PM   #47
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I don´t see anything insulting in my post - I just posted my opinion. I truly think that Americans who want to go to Iraq to spread Christianity - in the actual situation - are naive, but maybe they should go, because they will return less naive. What´s so insulting about that? Its just an opinion, I didn´t accuse anyone of anything, I just said I think it is naive.

And why can´t you PM me if you want to have a personal discussion about what is or isn´t insulting? Instead, you choose to waste a whole post for one sentence, just to put me down. I can see your task is to discredit, but what is your problem?

This whole forum is about freeing your mind. So I would appreciate if I am allowed to use words like naive. You´re whining about my comments every second day. If you choose not to take my arguments seriously because I express myself more clear than you would like sometimes, that´s your choice. But please accept that as a European, I have different standards of political correctness.

Sula: I wholeheartedly agree
Your post was insulting. I called it as I see it. I did not say that you were insulting and I did not make a personal attack.

Your words are insulting...Calling them naive is insulting, and your comment that Americans need to improve their judgement qualities is insulting.

Maybe the people opposed to holding Iraq accountable need their judgement qualities to improve because the peace killed more Iraqi's than the war.

Now, I do not believe that, it is a point of view and I say it to make a point. Your post in my opinion was insulting. It is free your mind, and I freed my mind by saying what I thought too. Thanks for the insight though.

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Old 04-11-2003, 07:21 PM   #48
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Public education needs to be secular. Which creation myth shall we try and pass off as "truth"? There are so many. I like the phallic Shinto myths the best...very amusing. Why I wholeheartedly oppose any religion in public education is because it will automatically be taught as Calvinist-leaning Protestantism (and, even at that, it will probably lean fundamentalist). While this group screams the loudest, they are not the only Christians. Even at that, Christianity is not the only religion. While it may look disdainfully at other religions, it is not their right to impose their beliefs on everyone.

Secular, scientific education is the only way to take the "neutral" ground. Even at that, what is the point of teaching religion in public schools? I thought that was the purpose of churches and homes. If religious folk cannot handle secular education in public schools, then I think it is *they* who have the problem, considering there are weekends and evenings open to teach religion all you want. If you want to teach that the Earth and universe were created by a chocolate-flavored purple cow, there is plenty of time after school in the home and church.

All bullshit aside, it's conversion these people want. They want to go into public schools and indoctrinate "non-believers" against their parents' wishes--we all know how impressionable youth is. But guess what? It's not going to happen.

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I thought your son was still pretty young.

I don’t know if it is the theory of evolution that you are speaking about. Or the allowing children to wear Halloween costumes? Or not requiring a blessing before eating?

We were raised in an environment where our religious beliefs were not the norm. We asked our father about evolution, the age of the earth, humans before Adam and Eve? His answer to us was that the school system taught from a non- religious point of view, only scientific and to learn our lessons and not challenge the teachings. He said this was necessary to fully participate in what the secular world believed.

My three sisters all stayed active in, married in, and are raising my 11 nieces and nephews in the faith.

I don’t think there is any harm a public education can do your children’s belief system unless the home and church life are not fully practiced.
I agree with you wholeheartedly that a child's belief system is developed first at home, then at church.

I would assume the same would be true for Iraqi households. The "fear" of Christian missionaries in Iraq is misplaced.



By the way, my son is only eight. But he is quite capable of understanding very meaningful concepts and quickly recognizes differences between what he hears at school and what he learns from reading the Bible.
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Well, there are bound to be differences between what one hears in daily life and what one hears in the Bible or at church. Christian philosopher Michael J. Murray once said that loving God is a choice that has to be made during one's time on Earth, and that one reason for Christ's sacrifice and the availability of God's grace is to make it a little easier for "lovers of God" to make it through a corrupt and difficult world.

Nevertheless, I'm with Melon here too--public education should be secular (though certainly not amoral). I'd be rather insulted if someone that I paid to teach my children how to read and write started spouting prayer and Scripture. I pay ministers to do that. Every moment that teachers or school administrators spend trying to indoctrinate impressionable children is a moment they're NOT spending on education.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly that a child's belief system is developed first at home, then at church.

I would assume the same would be true for Iraqi households. The "fear" of Christian missionaries in Iraq is misplaced.
I don't think people going to a country which has just gone through a war and trying to convert people to their religion is the same as a public school having a secular ideology as opposed to any religious ideology. As far as I can see from the articles posted in this thread, missionaries would be going to Iraq with the specific intention of converting Iraqi people to their religion, whereas the public school system doesn't attempt to convert children to a secular ideology.
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i agree with melon...
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