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Old 08-28-2006, 03:02 PM   #16
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Funny, cause the Florida State Flag is based on the Southern Cross Battle Flag......
So is the Alabama State Flag. We have a Confederate War Flag at our capital, and there's been a ton of controversy over that thing. I think they should take it down, it's just too divisive.
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Ok As we all know the cofederate flag represents Slavery and a cause in which people died for. But should we erase history. I hated the nazi's but to try and erase it's existance is wrong. It's a history that people should always remember, an ugly history. I am not saying we should fly the confederate or nazi flag but display it in a museum type setting.
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Ok As we all know the cofederate flag represents Slavery and a cause in which people died for.
The flag does not represent slavery. Not that I'm downplaying is signficance, but slavery was not the cause of the civil war, it was one of many issues that divided people. Some famous confederates did not condone slavery.

I agree about uniforms. During high school, I basically wore jeans and some t-shirt or top and on meet/game/match days, the sports teams always wore their team shirts or wore a skirt & nice button-down/dress pants & tie. Since meets/games/matches occured daily, we might as well have worn school uniforms.
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I agree with Uniforms also. It would help students prepare for the world on how to dress and it might cut gang activity,because no one is being represented.
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I agree with Uniforms also. It would help students prepare for the world on how to dress and it might cut gang activity,because no one is being represented.
Here in the UK the majority of schools have uniforms, and (although i hate it at times) it's generally a good thing. If we were to come to school in our own clothes every day would become a 'fashion parade' of sorts, with the poorer kids whose parents can't afford a new outfit everyday getting picked on and laughed at.

Although there are some things i disagree with - such as hair dying or different hair styles being banned, makeup and facial piercings not permitted. This is basically stripping us of our individuality and personality, I can understand why we have the uniform but anything more than that is taking away our freedom to express ourselves IMO.
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Ok As we all know the cofederate flag represents Slavery and a cause in which people died for. But should we erase history. I hated the nazi's but to try and erase it's existance is wrong. It's a history that people should always remember, an ugly history. I am not saying we should fly the confederate or nazi flag but display it in a museum type setting.
Hmmmm....As a Southerner, the confederate flag NEVER represented slavery to me. Just because a few dozen a-holes decide to parade around in bedsheets or shaved heads and wave a flag they obviously know nothing about doesn't make the flag evil. New York City was the second largest slave port in the US........does the US flag represent slavery too and should it also be banned?
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Well we could say all flags represent a dominance of power and struggle.
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As for uniforms, I'm all for them. Unfortunately many schools, to lessen the blow of having uniforms (like the one I just moved away from) decide to have a "Dress Code" instead, which equates to polos and slacks. This "Dress Code" gives ample opportunity for the richer students to show off, especially with the way American Eagle and A&F seem to be going. The only solution is a school-issued uniform that is IDENTICAL for every student, otherwise people will find ways to show off. Even more important is enforcement, people at my school still got away with doing the exact things the dress code was created to combat.

Ironically, I moved to Florida from Texas, and more peole consider themselves "Southerners" here than in Texas. As far as I've seen, wearing a Confederate flag (which people do every once in a while) would probably not sit well with the large African and Haitian populations at my school.
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Ok As we all know the cofederate flag represents Slavery and a cause in which people died for. But should we erase history. I hated the nazi's but to try and erase it's existance is wrong. It's a history that people should always remember, an ugly history. I am not saying we should fly the confederate or nazi flag but display it in a museum type setting.
The Confederate War Flag doesn't represent slavery, it represents the Army of the Confederate States of America. I agree that it's better off in a museum than it is flying on a stick anywhere as it doesn't represent a current political entity.
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Hmmmm....As a Southerner, the confederate flag NEVER represented slavery to me. Just because a few dozen a-holes decide to parade around in bedsheets or shaved heads and wave a flag they obviously know nothing about doesn't make the flag evil. New York City was the second largest slave port in the US........does the US flag represent slavery too and should it also be banned?
The trouble with the Confederate flag is that it symbolizes divisiveness, at best. It's a relic from a war that ended 141 years ago that many people still cannot seem to let go.

If any flag should be raised in the U.S., it should be the American flag. The Confederacy is dead.

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The trouble with the Confederate flag is that it symbolizes divisiveness, at best. It's a relic from a war that ended 141 years ago that many people still cannot seem to let go.

If any flag should be raised in the U.S., it should be the American flag. The Confederacy is dead.

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Yes, definitely. Keep all of the Confederate Flags in a museum and off the flagpoles. I say this as a Southerner and an American.
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The trouble with the Confederate flag is that it symbolizes divisiveness, at best. It's a relic from a war that ended 141 years ago that many people still cannot seem to let go.

If any flag should be raised in the U.S., it should be the American flag. The Confederacy is dead.

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So, you also agree then that it is inappropriate to fly other flags like the Puerto Rican flag, Italian flag, Irish flag, Mexican flag, etc. in this country as a way of showing the pride in your heritage? Is that not divisiveness?
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So, you also agree then that it is inappropriate to fly other flags like the Puerto Rican flag, Italian flag, Irish flag, Mexican flag, etc. in this country as a way of showing the pride in your heritage? Is that not divisiveness?
There is such a thing as Puerto Rico, Italy, Ireland, and Mexico. There is no such thing as the Confederacy. It's the flag of a failed separatist movement, and, as such, I think it is as inappropriate as it would be to raise an IRA flag in Northern Ireland or an ETA flag in Spain.

You are an American, not a Confederate, by every stretch of the imagination.

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You are an American, not a Confederate, by every stretch of the imagination.

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I AM #1 an American, and #2 a Southerner (currently living in NJ .). Never claimed to be a Confederate nor do I think the majority of the people who fly the flag or wear it on their shirt consider themselves a Confederate. The flag IS a symbol of the South....good and bad. If you lived here you would know that.
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especially with the way American Eagle and A&F seem to be going.
What way are they going? I really like these brands so I would like to know why they are so bad in your views.
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