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Old 01-08-2006, 12:15 PM   #1
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Congressional Review Finds Bush Wiretapping Broke the Law

This report came out this week. If anyone else in here has the time to read it and discuss it, I would like to keep it separate from the other thread on this.


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Old 01-08-2006, 01:56 PM   #2
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I think your headline said it all.

The Bush Administration's wiretapping escapades after 9/11 broke the law.

And a Congressional panel said it - even worse for Bush.

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Old 01-08-2006, 01:59 PM   #3
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Took some time to go through it, but was worth it. Seems to me although there are some passages that those who support the President's position will pounce on, it seems that the pattern of interpretation in rulings that favored past Presidents in thepast fall in the realm of Congressional indifference. Since there was a reasonable procedure in place, Congress cannot be considered indifferent to a problem that didn't exist. I cannot imagine it was the understanding of Congress (even a same party Congress) to cede all surveillance authority to the President.
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Bring on the hearings
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Bush seems too hell-bent on extending the powers of the Executive Branch at the expense of Congress. This scares me big time. It looks like Congress is scared, too.
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The NSA whistleblower has come forward and admitted he was one of the sources for the Times. Millions of calls screened

NSA Whistleblower Alleges Illegal Spying

Jan 10, 2006 — Russell Tice, a longtime insider at the National Security Agency, is now a whistleblower the agency would like to keep quiet.

For 20 years, Tice worked in the shadows as he helped the United States spy on other people's conversations around the world.

I specialized in what's called special access programs," Tice said of his job. "We called them 'black world' programs and operations."

But now, Tice tells ABC News that some of those secret "black world" operations run by the NSA were operated in ways that he believes violated the law. He is prepared to tell Congress all he knows about the alleged wrongdoing in these programs run by the Defense Department and the NSA in the post-9/11 efforts to go after terrorists.

"The mentality was we need to get these guys, and we're going to do whatever it takes to get them," he said.

Tracking Calls

Tice says the technology exists to track and sort through every domestic and international phone call as they are switched through centers, such as one in New York, and to search for key words or phrases that a terrorist might use.

"If you picked the word 'jihad' out of a conversation," Tice said, "the technology exists that you focus in on that conversation, and you pull it out of the system for processing."

According to Tice, intelligence analysts use the information to develop graphs that resemble spiderwebs linking one suspect's phone number to hundreds or even thousands more.

Tice Admits Being a Source for The New York Times

President Bush has admitted that he gave orders that allowed the NSA to eavesdrop on a small number of Americans without the usual requisite warrants.

But Tice disagrees. He says the number of Americans subject to eavesdropping by the NSA could be in the millions if the full range of secret NSA programs is used.

"That would mean for most Americans that if they conducted, or you know, placed an overseas communication, more than likely they were sucked into that vacuum," Tice said.

The same day The New York Times broke the story of the NSA eavesdropping without warrants, Tice surfaced as a whistleblower in the agency. He told ABC News that he was a source for the Times' reporters. But Tice maintains that his conscience is clear.

"As far as I'm concerned, as long as I don't say anything that's classified, I'm not worried," he said. "We need to clean up the intelligence community. We've had abuses, and they need to be addressed."

The NSA revoked Tice's security clearance in May of last year based on what it called psychological concerns and later dismissed him. Tice calls that bunk and says that's the way the NSA deals with troublemakers and whistleblowers. Today the NSA said it had "no information to provide."

ABC News' Vic Walter and Avni Patel contributed to this report.
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Old 01-16-2006, 09:51 AM   #7
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I cannot vouch for this site or this information, but it is causing a little buzz on the net.

If this turns out to be true that this was done prior to 9/11, does this change the nature of the discussion?

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